by Smitty (h/t Dan Riehl)
I was just listening to the Levin rant, which is a must-hear. Levin starts with the Boston Tea Party. Dumping the tea into Boston Harbor was a gross violation of private property.
That’s a cute historical point, but, if those Bostonians had been fully committed to Libertarian navel-gazing, we’d still be under a monarchy.
So, if the people then were intolerant of oppression fromo London, and are considered patriots, why are New Yorkers asking for space between the area impacted by the 9/11 attack and a mosque not also patriots for resisting what could be considered an act of oppression?
Over to you Kn@ppster.
Levin’s an excitable hack whose histrionics border on comedy and agit-prop.In other words, he’s like all the other talk radio losers.
Smitty, what is cute is the suggestion that the GZM is somehow an act of oppression(The irony being that you feel that is is an cat of oppression against you when it is really the other way around).So explain to us how this is so? How does the GZM oppress you and your imaginary patriot friends?
I mean, judging from Levin’s rant, you’ve learned a little gamesmanship by attempting to color what is nothing more than your disapproval into the grandiose battle-of-the-ages crap that inspires nitwits and weirdos who used to play D&D.
But couching your personal unhappiness in terms of patriotic oppression is cheap and unbecoming of you.
So, please explain….
Levin’s an excitable hack whose histrionics border on comedy and agit-prop.In other words, he’s like all the other talk radio losers.
Smitty, what is cute is the suggestion that the GZM is somehow an act of oppression(The irony being that you feel that is is an cat of oppression against you when it is really the other way around).So explain to us how this is so? How does the GZM oppress you and your imaginary patriot friends?
I mean, judging from Levin’s rant, you’ve learned a little gamesmanship by attempting to color what is nothing more than your disapproval into the grandiose battle-of-the-ages crap that inspires nitwits and weirdos who used to play D&D.
But couching your personal unhappiness in terms of patriotic oppression is cheap and unbecoming of you.
So, please explain….
Smitty,
The tea, and the ships carrying it, were not “private property” in any meaningful sense of the word. They were property of the East India Company, a government-chartered monopoly operating with privileged tax status and other preferential treatments from the Crown.
The only “private property” violated was the lock on the harbor gate with the Tea Partiers broke — and sent a repairman around to fix the next morning at their own expense.
Not only do libertarians not “decry” the Boston Tea Party, but one American libertarian political party is named after it.
Smitty,
The tea, and the ships carrying it, were not “private property” in any meaningful sense of the word. They were property of the East India Company, a government-chartered monopoly operating with privileged tax status and other preferential treatments from the Crown.
The only “private property” violated was the lock on the harbor gate with the Tea Partiers broke — and sent a repairman around to fix the next morning at their own expense.
Not only do libertarians not “decry” the Boston Tea Party, but one American libertarian political party is named after it.
@Kn@ppster,
Well, the tea was certainly not the private property of those dumping it in the Bay, now, was it?
@Kn@ppster,
Well, the tea was certainly not the private property of those dumping it in the Bay, now, was it?
@Y4E,
I’ve got a better idea:
Why don’t you go back in history and argue the Loyalist end of things against the American Revolution?
Your devotion to the Ruling Class must be handled along consistent lines, no?
@Y4E,
I’ve got a better idea:
Why don’t you go back in history and argue the Loyalist end of things against the American Revolution?
Your devotion to the Ruling Class must be handled along consistent lines, no?
In other words, he’s like all the other talk radio losers.
There’s comedy and agit-prop aplenty from cable TV losers as well, y4e. Not that you’ll admit it, of course.
In other words, he’s like all the other talk radio losers.
There’s comedy and agit-prop aplenty from cable TV losers as well, y4e. Not that you’ll admit it, of course.
“…Libertarian navel-gazing…”
Heh — Capital “L” Libertarians are funny that way, smitty!
“…Libertarian navel-gazing…”
Heh — Capital “L” Libertarians are funny that way, smitty!
I think that Libertarians aren’t comparing the Boston Tea Party with the Ground Zero Mosque because they have followed the money. You can trace back the supporters of the Mosque to your usual suspects, The Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation of New York and the usual Saudi princes. It’s obviously a provocation to get us all in a snit. Opening it on the anniversary of 9/11, calling it the Cordoba Mosque.. it’s all a bit rich for me. It’s also worth noting that Imam Rauf, Bloomberg, and everyone else supporting this thing is a CFR member-the tie that binds anti-Americans together it would seem.
Can’t you picture the conference where they dole out parts. Ok, Rauf you’ll be the frontman. Jim Wallis, you’ll use your Sojourners magazine to promote the liberal Christian support. Bloomberg, it’s your job to keep the people from rioting, but remember, we want ’em good and pissed off because we plan to take on Iran soon, plus it will hopefully take some heat off of us (the Establishment). That’s all for now guys, whose up for some BBQ?
I think that Libertarians aren’t comparing the Boston Tea Party with the Ground Zero Mosque because they have followed the money. You can trace back the supporters of the Mosque to your usual suspects, The Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation of New York and the usual Saudi princes. It’s obviously a provocation to get us all in a snit. Opening it on the anniversary of 9/11, calling it the Cordoba Mosque.. it’s all a bit rich for me. It’s also worth noting that Imam Rauf, Bloomberg, and everyone else supporting this thing is a CFR member-the tie that binds anti-Americans together it would seem.
Can’t you picture the conference where they dole out parts. Ok, Rauf you’ll be the frontman. Jim Wallis, you’ll use your Sojourners magazine to promote the liberal Christian support. Bloomberg, it’s your job to keep the people from rioting, but remember, we want ’em good and pissed off because we plan to take on Iran soon, plus it will hopefully take some heat off of us (the Establishment). That’s all for now guys, whose up for some BBQ?
“Hence while it pleased the abolitionists to believe in freeing Negroes and improving them, it also pleased them to believe that Southerners had to be punished and reconstructed by force.”
This pretty much sums up the “ruling class” clap-trap. Yes, it is so comforting to wrap yourself in the cloak of victimhood, as the oppressed, than it is to consider for a moment what your positions really mean.
This isn’t new. All the “silent majority” jazz is a well designed ploy to get you to vote for the very same”ruling class” you disdain.
It’s very curious this reactionary knee-jerk compulsion to feel as if you’re being talked down to if someone disagrees with you and points out those differences. I’ve noticed a mysterious chip on the shoulder attitude that is highlighted in Beck’s targeted play on some Americans sense of persecution. Amazing thing is that you can also trace that attitude back to Southerners who disliked the idea of having their” ways of life” altered, wether or not it was inherently evil.
So that is the game we’re playing,eh? On the one hand, your imaginary “ruing class” is trying to oppress you with ideas that counter your own. Yet should your ideas prevail, that isn’t oppression. Aha….
We’ve got a long ways to go if you seriously fall for this bunk.
There is a cultural hegemony that I don’t agree with 80 percent of the time, and yet I don’t feel oppressed. Now why is that?….
“Hence while it pleased the abolitionists to believe in freeing Negroes and improving them, it also pleased them to believe that Southerners had to be punished and reconstructed by force.”
This pretty much sums up the “ruling class” clap-trap. Yes, it is so comforting to wrap yourself in the cloak of victimhood, as the oppressed, than it is to consider for a moment what your positions really mean.
This isn’t new. All the “silent majority” jazz is a well designed ploy to get you to vote for the very same”ruling class” you disdain.
It’s very curious this reactionary knee-jerk compulsion to feel as if you’re being talked down to if someone disagrees with you and points out those differences. I’ve noticed a mysterious chip on the shoulder attitude that is highlighted in Beck’s targeted play on some Americans sense of persecution. Amazing thing is that you can also trace that attitude back to Southerners who disliked the idea of having their” ways of life” altered, wether or not it was inherently evil.
So that is the game we’re playing,eh? On the one hand, your imaginary “ruing class” is trying to oppress you with ideas that counter your own. Yet should your ideas prevail, that isn’t oppression. Aha….
We’ve got a long ways to go if you seriously fall for this bunk.
There is a cultural hegemony that I don’t agree with 80 percent of the time, and yet I don’t feel oppressed. Now why is that?….
JeffS, if you meant to highlight HotAir’s comedic agit-prop, then yes, there is a shining example. And the link you sent to Matthews is a poor example. i could’ve done much better against my own interests…
“You can trace back the supporters of the Mosque to your usual suspects,”
Hey Mom, you forgot to mention Fox News, as in the guy who is the largest shareholder of Fox News who is a supporter and financier for your GZM…oh, that’s gotta hurt…
JeffS, if you meant to highlight HotAir’s comedic agit-prop, then yes, there is a shining example. And the link you sent to Matthews is a poor example. i could’ve done much better against my own interests…
“You can trace back the supporters of the Mosque to your usual suspects,”
Hey Mom, you forgot to mention Fox News, as in the guy who is the largest shareholder of Fox News who is a supporter and financier for your GZM…oh, that’s gotta hurt…
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Heh! y4e, you score poorly in obfuscation. But keep it up, grasshopper. With practice, one day you will come across as believable.
Heh! y4e, you score poorly in obfuscation. But keep it up, grasshopper. With practice, one day you will come across as believable.
Doesn’t hurt at all y4e, that was the Saudi Prince I was referring to – just can’t remember all these foreign names. I’ve got my own unorthodox opinions on Fox News, but I’ve probably been controversial enough for one day!
Doesn’t hurt at all y4e, that was the Saudi Prince I was referring to – just can’t remember all these foreign names. I’ve got my own unorthodox opinions on Fox News, but I’ve probably been controversial enough for one day!
“The tea, and the ships carrying it, were not “private property” in any meaningful sense of the word. They were property of the East India Company, a government-chartered monopoly operating with privileged tax status and other preferential treatments from the Crown.“–Thomas L. Knapp
“Well, the tea was certainly not the private property of those dumping it in the Bay, now, was it?“–Smitty
Actually, that Tea–grown in India/East Indies–“belongs” to my exploited countrymen . Pay it back!
The East India Company during the events of 1773, was not just a monopoly, it effectively ruled India (for 100 years) before it finally died:
“The tea, and the ships carrying it, were not “private property” in any meaningful sense of the word. They were property of the East India Company, a government-chartered monopoly operating with privileged tax status and other preferential treatments from the Crown.“–Thomas L. Knapp
“Well, the tea was certainly not the private property of those dumping it in the Bay, now, was it?“–Smitty
Actually, that Tea–grown in India/East Indies–“belongs” to my exploited countrymen . Pay it back!
The East India Company during the events of 1773, was not just a monopoly, it effectively ruled India (for 100 years) before it finally died:
Mom, I hear ya. But don’t be weary of being controversial.Would love to hear your unorthodox views on Fox one day. Might wake up the rest of the suckers around here.
And yes JeffS, i am talking a bout you.
BTW, glad to score poorly in obfuscation.Perhaps you think it a good thing?
Mom, I hear ya. But don’t be weary of being controversial.Would love to hear your unorthodox views on Fox one day. Might wake up the rest of the suckers around here.
And yes JeffS, i am talking a bout you.
BTW, glad to score poorly in obfuscation.Perhaps you think it a good thing?
Best thing that ever happened to India was British Rule.
Best thing that ever happened to India was British Rule.
No, but if you don’t want your tea dumped into Boston Harbour, then don’t get the Crown to give you favourable treatment for its sale. Those who live by cronyism and force can’t expect to be fought with the free market and peace.
No, but if you don’t want your tea dumped into Boston Harbour, then don’t get the Crown to give you favourable treatment for its sale. Those who live by cronyism and force can’t expect to be fought with the free market and peace.
BTW, glad to score poorly in obfuscation.Perhaps you think it a good thing?
Only if you’re not deliberately obtuse. Which is not the case.
BTW, glad to score poorly in obfuscation.Perhaps you think it a good thing?
Only if you’re not deliberately obtuse. Which is not the case.
“Best thing that ever happened to India was British Rule.”
Dude.
The only thing that India benefited from the British Rule is the English language. And, i agree, that is big one. Apart from that, some claim that the British gave us bridges, dams, railroads etc. But there are many princely states in India during the time of Indian Independence that weren’t administered by the British but had equal or better infrastructure development.
India, before it came under the East India Company rule in the 1700s, was way more rich and developed than many European nations.
One good hearted Indian emperor made a stupid deal with the cunning British business men in the early 1600s. And then they expanded… later had their own military and made wars that led to the eventual downfall of the mighty moguls in another 250 years.
“English traders frequently engaged in hostilities with their Dutch and Portuguese counterparts in the Indian Ocean. The Company achieved a major victory over the Portuguese in the Battle of Swally in 1612. The Company decided to explore the feasibility of gaining a territorial foothold in mainland India, with official sanction of both countries, and requested that the Crown launch a diplomatic mission. In 1615, Sir Thomas Roe was instructed by James I to visit the Mughal Emperor Nuruddin Salim Jahangir (r. 1605 – 1627) to arrange for a commercial treaty which would give the Company exclusive rights to reside and build factories in Surat and other areas. In return, the Company offered to provide the Emperor with goods and rarities from the European market. This mission was highly successful as Jahangir sent a letter to James through Sir Thomas Roe:
“Best thing that ever happened to India was British Rule.”
Dude.
The only thing that India benefited from the British Rule is the English language. And, i agree, that is big one. Apart from that, some claim that the British gave us bridges, dams, railroads etc. But there are many princely states in India during the time of Indian Independence that weren’t administered by the British but had equal or better infrastructure development.
India, before it came under the East India Company rule in the 1700s, was way more rich and developed than many European nations.
One good hearted Indian emperor made a stupid deal with the cunning British business men in the early 1600s. And then they expanded… later had their own military and made wars that led to the eventual downfall of the mighty moguls in another 250 years.
“English traders frequently engaged in hostilities with their Dutch and Portuguese counterparts in the Indian Ocean. The Company achieved a major victory over the Portuguese in the Battle of Swally in 1612. The Company decided to explore the feasibility of gaining a territorial foothold in mainland India, with official sanction of both countries, and requested that the Crown launch a diplomatic mission. In 1615, Sir Thomas Roe was instructed by James I to visit the Mughal Emperor Nuruddin Salim Jahangir (r. 1605 – 1627) to arrange for a commercial treaty which would give the Company exclusive rights to reside and build factories in Surat and other areas. In return, the Company offered to provide the Emperor with goods and rarities from the European market. This mission was highly successful as Jahangir sent a letter to James through Sir Thomas Roe:
Hey Boob:
The best thing that could have ever happened to the Africans is Slavery.
(Just look at the African Americans in the US and look at those in the African continent!)
The best thing that ever happened to the Jews is…well…
Hey Boob:
The best thing that could have ever happened to the Africans is Slavery.
(Just look at the African Americans in the US and look at those in the African continent!)
The best thing that ever happened to the Jews is…well…
I think I preferred India as a British colony, myself. Nothing that’s happened since 1847 makes me think that there’s a society there capable of governing itself, and the efforts of certain chatty bitches on the internet certainly isn’t improving my opinion of that particular hellhole any.
India should be paying England reparations to this day.
I think I preferred India as a British colony, myself. Nothing that’s happened since 1847 makes me think that there’s a society there capable of governing itself, and the efforts of certain chatty bitches on the internet certainly isn’t improving my opinion of that particular hellhole any.
India should be paying England reparations to this day.
WTF happened in 1847?
In other news Indian economy grew by 8.8 percent this quarter. Enjoy.
WTF happened in 1847?
In other news Indian economy grew by 8.8 percent this quarter. Enjoy.
Do you even read the shit you copy/paste? I’m using a date from your comment, you fucking dolt.
Do you even read the shit you copy/paste? I’m using a date from your comment, you fucking dolt.
In the Carly Fiorina vs. Barbara Boxer first debate yesterday, Boxer mentions Fiorina’s record as the CEO HP of shipping jobs overseas to India and China thrice.
Gee… I wonder why the fiscal conservatives are so fond of out-sourcing American jobs to third world hellholes and evil socialist nations.
In the Carly Fiorina vs. Barbara Boxer first debate yesterday, Boxer mentions Fiorina’s record as the CEO HP of shipping jobs overseas to India and China thrice.
Gee… I wonder why the fiscal conservatives are so fond of out-sourcing American jobs to third world hellholes and evil socialist nations.
Thanks RR. I second your points.
Thanks RR. I second your points.
Wow Smitty, you really have your work cut out for you. Can you really complain about so called “oppression” when your supporters approve of colonialist oppression? Some very telling remarks from the oppressed…
Wow Smitty, you really have your work cut out for you. Can you really complain about so called “oppression” when your supporters approve of colonialist oppression? Some very telling remarks from the oppressed…
@Randy Rager
Apparently, you seem to have lost your mind.
Now when your anger soothes and some semblance of balance comes to your mind, apologize for making a typo*.
*Maybe you meant 1857(India’s First War of Independence; Indian Rebellion; Crown takes over the East India Company’s rule of India; British Raj begins.)
or 1947(India gains Independence from the British)
PS. Did your/friends or family’s job got shipped to India? Just wondering.
PPS.
IMPORTANT /TOM ALERT!
Smitty et al, maybe you guys may want to report Randy Rager just in case he doesn’t flip out (see his two comments above; one nutty and other angry )like the recent eco-terrorist and does something terrible to others or himself.