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Right On, Cameron: The World’s Respect Is Worth #Occupy’s Leftovers

Posted on | March 21, 2012 | 35 Comments

by Smitty

I’d like to expound upon Tina Korbe’s point here:

A quick note on Cameron’s comment that homosexuality is “destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization”: If you take that very literally, it’s actually pretty indisputable. The very first foundation of any civilization is existence itself. Human reproduction is necessary for human civilization. If our twenty-first century civilization consisted entirely of homosexuals who engaged only in homosexual behavior, civilization would rapidly cease to exist. From this literal perspective, homosexuality is no more destructive to civilization than contraception or abortion — but it is destructive. It serves no point to deny that.

We need to consider existence both from the individual and civilization perspectives. Individually, we #OccupyWomb, and hopefully grow to sprout the full Maslow pyramid of physical body, mind and ‘spirit’. For my life, Christianity is the ultimate fertilizer for that growth, here and hereafter. Properly understood, mind, body and spirit are a harmonized trinity*.

I believe this spiritually, and write about it in a rational, dispassionate way for the blog. It’s not as though there is some closed-form, intellectual proof of any faith. Faith and reason occur at different levels of Maslow’s hierarchy. I’m not here to bore you with talk of Jay-zuhs keeping you out of Hay-ell. Though the thought of eternal separation from Truth, in a place where BHO’s speeches play in an infinite loop, should give us all pause.

Physically, form follows function. While I will love any human male, and appreciate whatever talent he brings to the culture, any male who can’t figure out the proper application of the wedding tackle does not impress me. Anybody who tries to argue that Romans 1 does not exist, or that the Bible does not address sexuality is an utter fool. How many times does the Bible discuss marriage, directly or indirectly? Far, far into the hundreds. Those who would claim Christianity and spread utterly false, Progressive, modern doctrines of tolerating un-Biblical ideas will probably enjoy the BHO speech loop when they reach their destination, for the first couple of millennia, anyway.

I spend time enjoying being a father to my newborn son. I pray for these overgrown boys who, in their narcissistic quest for carnal pleasure, are missing true joy in life. Repent, grow up, settle down, marry (within the only meaning ‘marriage’ can ever encompass in the eyes of God) and grasp the fullness of life, ye nitwits! I pray that I can communicate the truth of existence to little Niklas in such a way as to guard him from the destructive evil of the Postmodern, Progressivist sewer of lies. Progressivism is as morally bankrupt as it is financially, and shall be proven historically as our current disaster unfolds.

Progressivism is a tragic prequel to the parable of the Prodigal Son. Call it ‘The Slightly Less Prodigal Father’. Earlier than the parable in Luke, the could-have-been father of the two sons did a fat refinance of his house, because there was a huge housing bubble and the value of his property trebled. And he went to Jezreel, a ‘San Francisco’ in its time, and partied like a rock star. So decadent was his partying that even Jezebel, the Nancy Pelosi of the era, thought it all a bit much. He and the boys had such a good time that he never got around to having sons, wrapped up in his decadence and potpourri like he was. And he died without meaning, or even getting to star in the parable that, in our Gospel, has helped so many to avoid the “Let me be perfectly clears” of that sad, endless speech loop in perdition.

Enough of that. Here is my favorite Elton John cut. The details are completely backwards, but the sentiment is still spot-on, and I weep for my brother whenever I hear this. Thank you for your art, Reginald, and no thanks for failing to grow up be a father, which issue might have contributed even more to humanity**.

via Hot Air

*Plenty, even most, Christians–me–are fat, mentally lazy, spiritually immature, or a combination. I’m speaking of Christ as the direction in which Christians should be drawn by the Bible, as individuals. Mileage varies considerably. Judge yourself, that ye be not judged when before Christ.

**Oh, and another ‘May you rot’ to those who’ve denigrated parenthood, and spread this pernicious over-population myth. I understand it is a sop for those who’ve frittered away their vitality on Progressivism. That foolishness, too, will drive you mad when BHO’s strawman chorus sings for you in Hell.


35 Responses to “Right On, Cameron: The World’s Respect Is Worth #Occupy’s Leftovers”

  1. Taxpayer1234
    March 21st, 2012 @ 11:03 am

    Excellent post.  One minor point, though:  Elton IS a father now.  He didn’t get that way in the traditional sense, but he does have a child.  He should at least get credit for that.

  2. Séreméla Celebrindal
    March 21st, 2012 @ 11:13 am

    Ok. I am conservative, agnostic, lesbian. My partner and I have raised a wonderful 17 yr old heterosexual girl that thinks: abortion is wrong – but should be legal – that marriage is important – and her parents define the very characteristics of love, sacrifice and devotion.

    99% of gays were raised by straights and 99% of gays raise straight children. The vast majority of those children are adopted from women or families that can’t keep or don’t want them.  I doubt, with almost 100% certainty, that more than 5 or 6 MORON homosexuals want any more gays than are produced naturally – 2-4% of the population. I am sure the percentage has changed from year to year, but as ‘gays’ have been around for, oh….3000 years at least, it is a NORMAL variation of the species.

    My partner was devout Episcopalian (don’t laugh, they can be devout) and WE raised our daughter in the Church with weekly attendance and Sunday School. Our daughter is church oriented but notices more the inconsistencies she sees with regard beliefs and actions. I honored and respected my partner’s faith and attended services, was respectful towards the church members and their faiths and supportive of the teachings with our daughter.

    When my partner passed in October, the Mormons in the neighborhood came by and sat with our daughter and her very conservative high school community raised money for the final expenses.

    The left is the left. It has nothing to do with the rights or group dynamics, it has everything to do with power. There are no ‘gay rights movement’ or ‘woman’s rights movement’ or ‘* rights movement’, they are all liberal power movements.  Women, gays and minorities would all benefit from at least part of the population that doesn’t lump them into the left’s caricature of them. So all you ‘red-necked Bible thumpers’ can just calm the hell down. 🙂

  3. Quartermaster
    March 21st, 2012 @ 12:56 pm

    I guess Smitty is a red necked Bible thumper. But like it or not, God created the earth adn the fulness thereof, and he makes the rules. He Himself said that homosexuality is an abomination, and Romans 1 tells what happens when a civilization refuses to hold God in its memory.

    I can believe your partner is a devout Episcopalian, but being a practicing homosexual says she ain’t a Christian. Christians don’t live a lifestyle of adulterous relationships (which is biblically covered by teh term pornea, whch has been translated fornication by some). And homosexuality is a mental illness, not a normal variation.

    You are right about liberalism, however, it is about power just like every other left wing ideology is. That’s why big gov conservatism is leftist (also known as Neoconservatism), and why twits like Lincoln are leftists.

  4. Séreméla Celebrindal
    March 21st, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

    God created the Earth is a matter of faith, certainly not ascertainable fact, and as to the rules…really? You want to adhere to rules laid down by barbarians 3000 yrs ago?  Peoples that slaughtered entire towns down to the infants – not abortion mind you, but toddlers and nursing children.

    While you may consider homosexuality a mental illness, the medical profession does not – and generally speaking, I’ll take science over Scripture on matters of fact every time. 

    As to who is a Christian or not, I’d think it behooves you to let your God make that determination. (BTW, unless I am mistaken, I don’t recall Scripture calling out lesbianism…but I could be wrong.)

  5. smitty
    March 21st, 2012 @ 1:19 pm


  6. smitty
    March 21st, 2012 @ 1:21 pm

    You want to adhere to rules laid down by barbarians 3000 yrs ago?  
    No, I don’t in general, and no, I don’t in particular. 😉

  7. dwduck
    March 21st, 2012 @ 2:42 pm

    You’re actually referring to psychology, not “the medical profession”, which are two entirely different things, at two entirely different levels of rigor.

    I’ll take overly literal, 6500-year-old-Earth fundamentalism over pop psychology any day; at least one has a set of first principles, rather than some politically motivated thumb-in-the-wind that changes with the decade.

    Of course, I’ll take hard science over both. 🙂

  8. dwduck
    March 21st, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

     And what would you think if your daughter didn’t pass your liberal litmus test?

  9. ThePaganTemple
    March 21st, 2012 @ 2:49 pm

     Did you miss the part where she said she’s conservative?

  10. ThePaganTemple
    March 21st, 2012 @ 2:50 pm

     I don’t like pole smokers, but I will defend to the death your right to be a pole smoker. Oh wait a minute, you’re not a pole smoker, you’re a lesbian, so never mind.

  11. ThePaganTemple
    March 21st, 2012 @ 2:52 pm

    HaHa I’ve got a tree in my yard that’s probably older than the Biblical age of the earth.

  12. ThePaganTemple
    March 21st, 2012 @ 2:53 pm

     They had reasons for slaughtering all those people. For one thing, they were ate up with syphilis and they didn’t want that shit spreading.

  13. dwduck
    March 21st, 2012 @ 2:54 pm

    McCain and Romney self-identify as “conservative”, too, but that doesn’t make it so, at least not entirely. I was just reading between the lines a bit.

  14. Séreméla Celebrindal
    March 21st, 2012 @ 3:07 pm

     I love my daughter regardless of her beliefs, her faith, or her ideology. And to be specific, I identify as a classical liberal type of conservative, ie the individual is sovereign.

  15. Séreméla Celebrindal
    March 21st, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

     How so nice you will grant me your leave to live my life…

  16. JeffS
    March 21st, 2012 @ 3:14 pm

     A rare breed, to be sure.  Hopefully not on the road to extinction.  We need more of you. 

  17. JeffS
    March 21st, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

     Is it a plastic tree?

  18. Séreméla Celebrindal
    March 21st, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

     Of course they had reasons for genocide, they were rational barbarians slaughtering 100% of a population for a disease they couldn’t diagnose even if they understood it on the off chance that ‘it was catchy’ though vectors were certainly unknown even conceptually.

  19. Adjoran
    March 21st, 2012 @ 3:19 pm

    Actually, the case for traditional marriage begins with secular evidence:  humans weren’t even a viable species in “the state of nature” due to our high infant mortality (and overall mortality rate) caused by the difficulties of survival as a pack where men hunted meat and shared the leftovers while women gathered and also had to nurture the children.  Our worldwide population was at one time only 150,000 and declining, the entire species might have gone extinct.

    Monogamy and the family unit saved the species,  long before it was a religious rite.  The complete secular case for traditional marriage is quite more involved, but that’s the starting point.

    But Cameron was speaking of his own religious beliefs about homosexuality, which reflect not only the Christian teaching but the traditional view of every major religion.  You have some sects which wish to reinterpret their scriptures to accommodate modern-day er, practices, but none of these do anything but condemn homosexual behavior.

    So to criticize him is to say the religions of all people are meaningless and their beliefs cannot be spoken of with being labeled  “hate speech.”  There are fornicators, adulterers, idolaters, thieves, and murderers who also don’t like how they are viewed by religions. 

    It is the totalitarian goal of the atheist 1% to obliterate the believers.  It’s all part of their innate Marxism, closely intertwined.

    Watch your 6.

  20. Séreméla Celebrindal
    March 21st, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

    Not to dispute the historical perspective of the origin for monogamous marriage or to note the historical application has been less than uniform or beneficial during large swaths of time, but no one is suggesting that gay marriage replace straight marriage, or even that it could even if the Left got it’s mitts (!) on the legal application of their particular brand of stupidity.  For 96-98% of the population, heterosexual marriage is ‘normal, reasonable, historical and beneficial’. I personally believe every characteristic that you would use to describe a good marriage is applicable to my partnership – but that might be too much for this discussion. 

  21. Taxpayer1234
    March 21st, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

    Good on you–you raised a decent human being who can think for herself.  I’m sorry your partner passed away.  I may not agree with your life choices, but I defend your right to make those choices.  And you’re absolutely correct–the left is all about power, not about helping the little guy/gal.

    My late father was a classical liberal, too, though he freaked out when I voted for Reagan.  🙂

  22. ThePaganTemple
    March 21st, 2012 @ 4:33 pm

     Didn’t say anything about granting you my leave to live your life, just that I would defend your right  to do so.

  23. ThePaganTemple
    March 21st, 2012 @ 4:39 pm

     Well these weren’t exactly the nicest people in the world either. It was commonplace for them to stick infants in the arms of a bronze idol that was a functional oven, whereupon said infant would die and shrivel up from the heat while displaying a “death grin”. The priests would beat drums and sing and chant to drown out the infants cries. Some of them even walled up infants in jars in the walls of their house to ward off “evil spirits”.

    Killing those people was one of the best acts ever committed, genocide or not.

    And it may come as a shock to you but there was no cure for syphilis or gonorrhea in those days.

  24. Tennwriter
    March 21st, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

    You have a tree in your backyard that is more than 4500 years old?  Because thats about the time of the Global Flood, and while its possible that some plants survived, its not very plausible.

    I’d expect your tree to be a bit younger than you’re thinking.  But hey, even 4000 years is pretty kewl.

  25. ThePaganTemple
    March 21st, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

     Naw its probably nowhere near that old, but it sure looks it. Just a little old fashioned hyperbole fer the fun of it.

  26. Quartermaster
    March 22nd, 2012 @ 7:41 am

    Try Romans 1:26 my dear friend. And, a person that lives in open sin is not a christian. Such things have already been determined. By God no less.

    As for creation being a something that has not been determined, you don’t keep up much with science. Evolutionists, as just one example, twist themselves into pretzels trying to prove what they claim, but so far have failed. Philosophical meandering rarely does well flying in the face of the evidence.

    Given the type of society that existed under the Mosaic lawversus the babraric society we have now, I’d take the Moscic law. But, that’s a false choice which people of your persuasion use to divert attention from your nonsense on stilts.

    Psychology, before she whored her little self out to PC idiocy, held that homsexuality is a mental illness. they disguise it now as “gender identification syndrome” but it’s still a mental illness. Medical people normally agreed with the shrinks because that was their area and not a matter of medical judgment. However, most people realize just how disordered the liofestyle is simply by instinct.

  27. Quartermaster
    March 22nd, 2012 @ 7:44 am

    Those who have been around a bit kknow TPT is a pot stirrer.

  28. Bob Belvedere
    March 22nd, 2012 @ 7:48 am

    I won’t give it to him because he and his ‘husband’ are raising the child.  The yin and yang of the male and female parental unit is the best thing for all children.  Their child is being deprived of one of the essential ingredients to the formation of a civilized adult.

  29. Bob Belvedere
    March 22nd, 2012 @ 8:05 am

    I just worry that the pot sometimes contains some magic mushrooms.

  30. Tennwriter
    March 22nd, 2012 @ 9:39 am

    I’m a little too serious by nature, or gullible.

  31. Taxpayer1234
    March 22nd, 2012 @ 9:40 am

    Point taken.

  32. Séreméla Celebrindal
    March 22nd, 2012 @ 10:55 am

    “because of this (idol worshiping) God GAVE THEM OVER to shameful lusts.” NIV

    Seems God gave over the children for their parents idol worshiping. But, that is accepting the premise that Scripture IS in fact, the words of God, when it is only a book written by men, that people believe in.  If you believe and have faith, then great. Belief and faith are not fact.

    And, given your attitude, calling an entire medical profession whores doesn’t surprise me.

    As for Evolutionists…well, you said enough to make any point I could make but I will say that knowledge is increasing as we learn more about our universe and ourselves and IF the time comes when science fact supports the hypothesis that genetics and hormones contribute to sexual identity behaviors, I am absolutely sure, you will still have your faith and beliefs to guide you.

    We have free will, consider it God’s gift if you please, and that free will gives us the ability to choose to live not by instinct but by choice, choice to honor and care for our weak, infirm, aged and disabled, choice to replace failing organs or building devices to replace them, choice to live in space. Feel free to live naturally, it is your choice.

  33. Zilla of the Resistance
    March 22nd, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

     I am sorry for your loss.

  34. ThePaganTemple
    March 22nd, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

     The yin and yang of the male and female parental unit is the best thing for all children.

    Have you actually seen Elton John and his “husband”? Something’s missing there all right, the only thing is I’m just not sure whether its the Yin or the Yang.

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