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What Can Elspeth Reeve Teach Us?

Posted on | July 5, 2013 | 148 Comments

The Pervert Party: Democrats for abortion had
a Texas girl hold a sign declaring: ‘If I wanted the
government in my womb, I would f*** a Senator.’

Liberalism is like a Swiss Army knife, a versatile tool that makes it valuable as a substitute for whatever its users otherwise lack. If you are stupid, but espouse liberalism, you will be praised by liberals as intelligent merely for so doing — Joe Biden and Al Sharpton, for example. If you are immoral,  all you need to do to receive acclaim for your virtue is to become a liberal, as Ted Kennedy’s entire career attests.

This belief that every liberal is the moral and intellectual superior of others merely because he is a liberal has a profound effect not only in politics, but also within those fields of endeavor — journalism, academia and the entertainment industry — where the authority of liberalism has become hegemonic. Nothing else can possibly explain how an idiot like Chris Matthews remains on the payroll of NBC News, or why “Women’s Studies” departments stain the campuses of major universities, or why Joy Behar has a show-business career.

Liberals will themselves occasionally acknowledge this truth. When Mona Eltahawy went off on Max Blumenthal this week, she made the point that Blumenthal “does nothing but Tweet” — he is not, nor has he ever been, a prolific writer. Blumenthal certainly has never shown any merit that would recommend his work except that he is a liberal. Andrew Breitbart was right on target when he said that the only thing Blumenthal has ever done is use “Alinksy tactics” in his efforts to “destroy people” — cheap political “gotcha” journalism that serves no other purpose than to smear the Left’s chosen enemies.

In this, however, Max Blumenthal is not particularly unusual. Outfits like Think Progress and Media Matters employ scores of “journalists” who have never done any “reporting” other than to accuse conservatives of sexism, racism and/or homophobia. It’s as if they were seeking the Pulitzer Prize for finger-pointing and name-calling.

So when Mona Eltahawy denounced Max Blumenthal as a useless drone, an untalented do-nothing, that indictment encompassed many more such practitioners of progressive journalism. Max is not unique among those whose only real qualification as journalists is that they are liberals.

Conflating liberalism with virtue is an idea that has consequences, and among those consequences is the moralistic hubris of liberals. Believing that advocacy for liberal causes is synonymous with virtue, they are prone to an ends-justify-the-means rationalization of unethical tactics and even criminal violence in support of what they believe to be The Greater Good. This was how, after all, the 1960s “peace” movement gave rise to the hateful fanatical terrorism of the Weather Underground bombers — social justice as a license for murder.

And speaking of murder, why do liberals never pause to wonder how abortion became the sine qua non of their worldview?

Bela Kun and the Politics of Perversion

Ann Coulter was never more accurate than when she said in her book Godless that abortion is the sacrament of the Church of Liberalism. We beheld a bizarre testimony to this truth when pro-abortion protesters at the Texas Capitol began chanting “Hail Satan.”

What was going on was that the Texas legislature was considering a bill to ban abortion after 20 weeks, a proposal that should not really be controversial. Advances in medical science have made it possible to save the lives of premature babies, so that the criterion of fetal viability would certainly justify banning the murder of babies in utero who might be able to survive if they were delivered. The vast majority of abortions (more than 95%) are performed before the 20th week of gestation, so that the Texas law would do relatively little to limit the exercise of “choice.” Yet it is on this dubious battleground that Texas Democrats have, to nationwide applause from liberals, chosen to make their stand.

No one outside Texas had ever heard of Wendy Davis until the Democrat legislator decided to filibuster this legislation, a stance so wrong and unpopular that even a liberal Democrat like Kirsten Powers was moved to remark, “It’s amazing what is considered heroism these days.” And speaking of amazing . . .

Pro-life activists who supported the bill banning late-term abortions were at the Texas Capitol in Austin and began to sing “Amazing Grace,” a timeless and much-beloved Christian hymn:

I once was lost, but now I am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

Let’s ask: How could anyone be offended by this? What kind of person hates God so much they would object to “Amazing Grace”?

It is one thing, after all, to say that you do not share someone else’s particular religious belief, but quite another thing to say that their expression of belief is offensive to you. I may believe that Buddhists are fools and that Scientologists are deluded devotees of a charlatan, but I don’t run around deliberately starting arguments with them. Somehow, though, liberals have decided that Bible-believing Christians are their mortal enemies, and I think Matt Ross has properly located the historical origins of this anti-Christian animosity:

In 1919, Georg Lukacs became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in Hungary. He immediately set plans in motion to de-Christianize Hungary. Reasoning that if Christian sexual ethics could be undermined among children, then both the hated patriarchal family and the Church would be dealt a crippling blow. Lukacs launched a radical sex education program in the schools. Sex lectures were organized and literature handed out which graphically instructed youth in free love (promiscuity) and sexual intercourse while simultaneously encouraging them to deride and reject Christian moral ethics, monogamy, and parental and church authority. All of this was accompanied by a reign of cultural terror perpetrated against parents, priests, and dissenters.

Through the intellectual influence of the Frankfurt School’s cultural Marxism (Theodor Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, et al.) this attitude has been steadily woven into the ideological tapestry of the Democrat Party over the past half-century. The hegemonic dominance of liberalism within academia, journalism and the entertainment industry means that this radicalism — the embrace of perverse licentiousness and an implacable hostility to Christian faith — has been so widely diffused throughout our society that many Americans no longer even notice it, let alone question its original motives and purpose.

No one under 40 has any memory of when the Democrat Party did not stand for abortion, sodomy and socialism (not necessarily in that order) and the advance of political correctness within our educational system has deprived the young of the historical knowledge by which they might understand or critique modern liberalism. It is therefore remarkable — although seldom remarked — that mere opposition to the Democrat Party agenda is now classified as “hate,” as if buttf–king and baby-killing were synonymous with love.

Father of Lies, Party of Death

Rather than pursue that philosophical digression further, however, let us return to the scene Tuesday at the Capitol in Austin, where pro-lifers sang their hymn, for here we find an answer to the question: Who hates God so much that they are offended by “Amazing Grace”?

One of the more bizarre tactics used by pro-abortion
activists involved chanting “Hail Satan!” to harass a
pro-life crowd as they sang “Amazing Grace.”

Abortion is wrong and its advocates are evil, and if their chants were meant in jest, there is truth in humor: Democrats want to kill babies, and thereby they make themselves servants of Satan.

We may again digress briefly to note that the process by which Democrats became The Party of Death™ was fairly rapid. In 1960, when the Democrats nominated John F. Kennedy, his Catholicism was sufficiently controversial that Kennedy had to avow that he would not be taking dictation from the Pope. Ten years after JFK’s assassination, in its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling the Supreme Court manufactured a fictitious “right” to abortion, but this was not a partisan matter, and many Democrats strongly opposed it.

By 1992, however, the Democrat Party’s commitment to killing babies had become such a cornerstone of their national agenda that Pennsylvania Gov. Bob Casey was not permitted to speak in opposition to the party’s radical pro-abortion platform. Pro-lifers have since been purged, as Daniel McConchie explained last year:

If you tuned into the Democratic National Convention . . .  and were momentarily confused as to whether C-SPAN was actually covering a huge abortion rally, you are not alone. The high-profile roles given to Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards, NARAL Pro-Choice America President Nancy Keenan, Sandra Fluke, and Caroline Kennedy are the capstone of a two-decade-long effort to eradicate anti-abortion Democrats from the party. It is an effort that is nearly complete. An event hosted by Democrats for Life during the convention failed to attract a single politician currently in office.

Thus, in scarcely more than 50 years, Democrat have gone from being feared as too Catholic to being The Devil’s Own Party, whose adherents cheerfully offer their praise to Satan as they stand firmly in favor of killing the innocent unborn. And as every Christian knows, Satan is the “father of lies,” which brings us to Elspeth Reeve.

Ms. Reeve first came to public notice as a handmaiden of falsehood, and it is a testimony to liberalism’s influence in the field of journalism that someone so closely connected to an infamous act of dishonesty could still be employed by any reputable publication. Her disgraceful debut involved the notorious “Baghdad Diary” episode:

On August 2, 2007, the editors of The New Republic disclosed what they had learned in their July 26 chat with Beauchamp — that the “crypt keeper” episode didn’t happen in Iraq at all. They revealed also that Beauchamp had first made contact with The New Republic through one of the magazine’s yearlong researcher-reporters, Elspeth Reeve, who happened also to be Beauchamp’s girlfriend. . . .

Reeve left The New Republic just about the time (July 2007) it became evident that Beauchamp had fictionalized his atrocity tales, and one might have thought that the shame she had helped bring upon the profession of journalism would have rendered her radioactive, permanently persona non grata, as was the case with such liberal liars as Stephen Glass and Jayson Blair.

Nevertheless, The Atlantic has attempted to rehabilitate Elspeth Reeve, a fact I mentioned last year with a passing reference to her as the World’s Least Reliable Fact-Checker™ and now, in the case of the Texas abortion protests, she has disgraced herself anew.

Dishonesty, a Valuable Skill for Liberals

After video of the “Hail Satan” chant went viral Tuesday, Reeve presumed to fact-check it and generally deride conservatives who cited it “as proof of the depravity — or at least stupidity — of the pro-choice activists.” Before proceeding further with our inquiry into Elspeth Reeve’s competence as a fact-checker, let’s ask a few questions:

  • Why is it that only conservative sites oppose abortion?
  • Why do the words “liberal” or “Democrat” appear nowhere in Elspeth Reeve’s article? Is it really impossible to classify the general political orientation of those who think it necessary for abortion to be legal under all circumstances?
  • Who assigned Elspeth Reeve to patrol the Internet, presuming to “debunk” messages on conservative sites?

You perhaps see the point: Reeve is doing the same kind of Alinksyite work as Media Matters and Think Progress do every day, and she seldom does anything else, because she has no “skill” except her liberalism. And in Swiss Army knife fashion, the universal tool of liberalism is made to serve as a substitute: If you are a habitual liar, being an outspoken liberal is accepted as proof of your honesty.

Reeve labels conservatives but does not label liberals, even though everyone knows that the only kind of people so evil as to protest in favor of abortion are liberal Democrats. However, Elspeth Reeve refers to them only as “pro-choice activists,” as if their political and ideological loyalties were unknown. But we need not be so mystified: The people who want to kill Texas babies are Democrats.

There are no Democrats who oppose killing babies, because Democrats have purged everyone who disagrees with baby-killing, and  describing this policy agenda as “choice” is a purposeful deceit.


Sodomy is still just an optional item on the Democrat agenda, but it’s probably only a matter of time before they make it mandatory.

Elspeth Reeve derogated conservatives for calling attention to the “pro-choice activists” who used a Satanic chant to mock pro-lifers, saying that only a handful of the “activists” took part in the chant, but one imagines that if a handful of Tea Partiers started chanting racial slurs, this would have been deemed newsworthy. Not content with dismissing the “Hail Satan” chant as trivial and insignificant, however, Elspeth Reeve then disputed the authenticity of the photo (shown at the top of this post) of bloodthirsty pro-abortion fanatics Texas Democrats having a young girl hold up a nearly pornographic protest sign:

However, it’s a fake. Or at least, it’s not from the Texas demonstrations. The photo was posted on a message board in December 2007. The anti-abortion crowd will have to stick with its five Satanists.

 Oops! The World’s Least Reliable Fact-Checker™ strikes again: The photo is legit; Elspeth Reeve had read the date wrong on the message board; and she was forced to acknowledge her error.

Did I say “error”? I meant lie, because when you are engaged in a dishonest political propaganda campaign (which is all Elspeth Reeve’s “journalism” career has ever been) and you publish falsehoods in service of your deceitful purpose, this is scarcely an accident.

Liberals lie routinely, because they know if they ever told the truth, no honest person would support their wicked agenda. And if we fail to defeat them, it is because we do not boldly speak truth, or because we have let ourselves become confused by liberal lies.

Let me close by saying that the Texas legislature will convene again on Monday, as Thomas Umstattd Jr. says:

We need reinforcements. If you have not yet come down to the capitol we need you there on Monday July 8 and Tuesday July 9.

Where are God’s soldiers? Who will volunteer in the Army of the Lord?


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148 Responses to “What Can Elspeth Reeve Teach Us?”

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    July 6th, 2013 @ 10:28 pm

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    July 6th, 2013 @ 10:34 pm

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  13. Mme Scherzo
    July 7th, 2013 @ 12:59 am

    The most accurate sign would say, “Kill any child who is unwanted.”

  14. Frank Underwood D-SC
    July 7th, 2013 @ 1:08 am

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  15. gjsmith_62
    July 7th, 2013 @ 1:24 am

    I will never forget the arguments I’d had with a full blown lib regarding abortion. The idea that children could be taken across state lines by a school teacher, would be the point at which he started spewing invectives. Yet, the articles were from the NY Times.

    Somehow, he thought himself middle of the road.

    In the end, abortion truly is the issue folks should split with democrats. The Texas bill ending abortions of convenience after five months, undoubtedly shows the depravity of these planned parenthoodlum types.

  16. LadyLiberty1885
    July 7th, 2013 @ 10:22 am

    What Can Elspeth Reeve Teach Us? : The Other McCain #hailsatan

  17. Martyy Reeh
    July 7th, 2013 @ 2:07 pm

    So you want to go back to the days of back alley abortions when a woman seeking an illegal abortion faced death or permanent sterilization? Or does a woman who wants an abortion badly enough deserve death or permanent sterilization, not to mention the pain that will accompany an illegal procedure. Sure, those with money can go to Mexico, Canada, Sweden, Japan and have her abortion in nice, safe, sterile surroundings, have access to both antibiotics and pain killers, but those without the money will not have access to these “luxuries”. So, if these laws are passed, abortion will once again become a privilege of the rich, no matter where they reside, and the poor will have to take their chances in the back alleys.

    There have always been abortions, there will always be abortions. Women are not incubators or brood mares and that is precisely what people like you think we are. No one forces anyone (hopefully) to have an abortion. Why should a woman face sterilization or death to get one? We are victims of our fertility from a time when infant survival was tenuous at best. Make birth control, education, and alternatives available and abortion rates will go down. Make men use condoms and abortions and STD’s will go down. Let us alone to make our own choices–we are adults and we don’t need fanatics like you telling us what to do with our lives and our bodies.

  18. Martyy Reeh
    July 7th, 2013 @ 2:09 pm

    And I have yet to meet a conservative who didn’t consider themselves god’s chosen on earth.

  19. rsmccain
    July 7th, 2013 @ 3:09 pm

    #prolife #texas ICYMI: Satan wants you to kill babies and vote Democrat. | And @elspethrb agrees.

  20. annepaez504
    July 7th, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

    RT @rsmccain: #prolife #texas ICYMI: Satan wants you to kill babies and vote Democrat. | And @elspethrb agrees.

  21. JulieLvsPACKERS
    July 7th, 2013 @ 3:26 pm

    RT @rsmccain: #prolife #texas ICYMI: Satan wants you to kill babies and vote Democrat. | And @elspethrb agrees.

  22. indybellusa
    July 7th, 2013 @ 6:27 pm

    “Liberalism is like a Swiss Army knife, a versatile tool that makes it valuable as a substitute for whatever its…

  23. BredRightAndTrue
    July 7th, 2013 @ 8:54 pm

    Oh, puh-leeze. Take your “any legislation protecting human life is so barbaric, third-world, caveman-like, anti-womyn” exaggerated musings elsewhere.  Those of us who actually pay attention are duly aware of the fact that birth control and education are not only exceedingly available, but they, too, are thrust upon a vast majority of public, school-age children, AND American taxpayers who bear the burden of expenses related to “free” contraception and Sex-Ed programs.  The fact there are those who desire to live their lives vis-a-vis their primal instincts and irresponsible whims sans personal responsibility and real-world consequences changes these facts NOT ONE iota. Welcome to the truth.

    Tis beyond mind numbing that someone (anyone) who expresses disdain for the Texas legislation currently being discussed would have the audacity to bring up “back-alley abortions.” (Kermit Gosnell, anyone?) I could actually find myself quite humored at such fools if the sheer and vile hypocrisy of it all were not attached to the disgusting and immoral behavior of murdering innocent life all in the name of some perverse agenda and/or if-it-feels-good-do-it belief system. Pro-aborts have laughably deemed themselves the overseers of all things “women’s health” — yet can’t quite find themselves supportive of the very regulations that would bring their precious abortion mills up to the same type of sanitary/health codes required for ambulatory clinics or nail salons or heck, even a veterinarian’s office.  Tis all about “women’s health,” right?  In a word…Liars. 

    I’ll give a reluctant, yet vomit-filled, hat tip to the warriors of the pro-death culture solely because those who cheer and support the murdering of innocent life did manage to work their grubby lies to accomplish the LEGAL part, and even managed to pull it off without any of that pesky, ol Due Process nonsense getting in their way. But, in true, self-loathing, control-freak, leftist fashion–it’s never enough–hence, more and more lies are needed to satisfy their yet-thirsting, sacred cow.

    Tis curious that those who normally experience uncontrollable, Pavlovian drool at the mere thought of more-and-more government control and regulations (Obamacare, anyone?) are all of a sudden rendered parched when the prospect of regulations are attached to their baby-murdering factories, or the possibility their baby-murdering methods, if left unchanged, may force the closure of a few of their RARE facilities in order to provide SAFE mutilation of human life. Egads! Such regulations may actually require sanitary “women’s health” services at the hands of “qualified” pro-aborts. Alas, this could possibly prove to be sucky for their cash-only-service coffers, or more so, it may actually shed a glimmer of light into their filthy, get-rich, murderous activities and agenda. In a word…Good.

    Since you, Martyy, appear to believe the Texas legislation to be overbearing in a “back alley” sorta way, I would strongly suggest you at least have a passing notion as to what you are bitching and bleating about with regard to your “arguments.”

    Go ahead. Take a gander. Entertain yourself with a bit of history and research with regard to abortion laws in Japan, Mexico, and Sweden. Go for it! The truth will make your “I Heart Abortion” head spin. While you’re at it–take a look at Germany and Denmark and the UK and Spain and Brazil and the Netherlands and Italy, et al. I dare ya. 

    Leftists sure do tend to happily soil themselves over a vast majority of the failed, socialist policies of such countries–all the while cheering for such “utopia” to “bless” the American citizenry upon our own shores. Many, many of us are left to wonder why American pro-aborts, normally enamored with all things “euro” and “socialist” suddenly put on the brakes when it comes to the abortion laws of these countries. Reality quickly focuses upon the limitations nearly every country aside from the U.S. places upon the sacrificial altar of human life. The American “Let’s murder innocent life!” crowd, and their diabolical “Molech-ian” worship, like the cheese, stand nearly alone. Ignore! Ignore! Ignore!

    As an aside — words do tend to “matter” to you, and your leftist ilk, don’t they? Hijacking the vocabulary happens to be a favorite pastime for your mob–hence, baby and life are conveniently and purposefully reframed as embryo, fetus, clump of cells, choice, etc. Well…since words matter and all, I’ll leave you with this…

    “Hail, Satan.” 

    Own it. 

  24. robcrawford2
    July 7th, 2013 @ 9:54 pm

    Naw, Marty, let’s just impose the same regulations they have in, say, Sweden. Deal?

    “Women are not incubators or brood mares and that is precisely what people like you think we are.”

    Actually, no. For myself — and, from the impressions I gather — most conservatives, women are much, much more than “incubators or brood mares”. They’re people. That means there is much, much more to them than their genitalia. So why is the single most issue to the left women’s genitalia?

    “Make birth control, education, and alternatives available and abortion rates will go down.”

    They’re NOT available? Fer crissake, there are rubbers in every grocery store!

    “Make men use condoms and abortions and STD’s will go down.”

    Or men AND women could just abstain.

    (And “make men use condoms”? You do realize there are TWO people involved in most sex acts, right?)

  25. robcrawford2
    July 7th, 2013 @ 9:55 pm

    “Tis beyond mind numbing that someone (anyone) who expresses disdain for the Texas legislation currently being discussed would have the audacity to bring up “back-alley abortions.” (Kermit Gosnell, anyone?)”

    It is rather curious that the “pro-choice” folks have gone nuclear over laws to hold abortion clinics to the same health and safety standards as, say, out-patient cosmetic surgery clinics.

  26. BredRightAndTrue
    July 7th, 2013 @ 10:45 pm

    Note how Mz. Martyy wants to MAKE birth control, education, and alternatives available (with what appears to be nary a clue as to their current availability).

    She, too, would like to MAKE men use condoms.

    MAKE, how? I’m all ears. She certainly couldn’t mean MAKE via legislation and regulations she appears very much against. *hmm*

  27. Moira1987
    July 7th, 2013 @ 10:58 pm

    What Can Elspeth Reeve Teach Us?

  28. DaveHimrich
    July 7th, 2013 @ 11:08 pm

    RT question no one is asking @Moira1987: What Can Elspeth Reeve Teach Us?

  29. HomeBloggingMom
    July 7th, 2013 @ 11:10 pm

    RT @rsmccain: #prolife #texas ICYMI: Satan wants you to kill babies and vote Democrat. | And @elspethrb agrees.

  30. KarlKroshinsky
    July 7th, 2013 @ 11:58 pm

    RT @Moira1987: What Can Elspeth Reeve Teach Us?

  31. Martyy Reeh
    July 8th, 2013 @ 1:10 am

    So you do want to go back to the days where women had to seek illegal, unsafe abortions, risking death and sterility and only the rich who can afford to leave the country can obtain a safe legal abortion in clinical settings. Figures

  32. Martyy Reeh
    July 8th, 2013 @ 1:12 am

    So, it’s okay for women to suffer the side effects of back room abortions and women who have the financial means can go elsewhere and obtain a safe abortion because they can afford to leave the country and go where abortions are safe and legal.

    Figures–women who get abortions deserve whatever happens to them, right?
    Assholes like make me sick

  33. Martyy Reeh
    July 8th, 2013 @ 1:12 am

    yes, and I also want women to have access to safe legal abortions so we won’t go back to the days of the back alley legal abortions.
    Fuck you

  34. Martyy Reeh
    July 8th, 2013 @ 1:20 am

    So it’s okay for women to have to resort to back alley abortions and risk death or sterility. Guess they deserve whatever they get, eh? And I suggest you do some reading about what women went through to get abortions before they were legal. So why don’t you stop spouting off at the mouth.

    BTW, I lived through those days when abortion was a risk. And you had to go and have a psychiatric evaluation before you could get an abortion–you had to prove you would suffer severe psychological harm if you had the baby.

    Yeah, and a friend of mine went through that too.

    I’m 61 years old, I lived through all this shit. Believe me, we will continue to fight you and don’t be so sure you’ll win.

    Fuck off

  35. Martyy Reeh
    July 8th, 2013 @ 1:30 am

    Hey, asshole, bet you didn’t think I’d double check my facts. Seems I’m right after all. Just goes to show how much more civilized in Europe than they are here. Access to abortion is legal as long as it’s not a late term abortion. The source of my information? Wikipedia.
    Bet you hate gays, too, but most of all you hate yourself, don’t you

  36. Martyy Reeh
    July 8th, 2013 @ 1:45 am

    Most countries in Europe, like Germany, UK, Netherland, Sweden, Denmark, even Spain will provide abortion on demand up to 12 weeks. One country allowed 18 weeks, and another allowed abortion up to viability. Japan allows abortions up to 12 weeks, but with restrictions. Mexico will not prosecute doctors who perform abortions for the most part, but the accepted period is up to 12 weeks. All countries except Japan allowed abortion on demand, but Japan will allow abortions for “social reasons”
    My source was Wikepedia, if you would like to double check my facts

  37. Martyy Reeh
    July 8th, 2013 @ 1:50 am

    So what is so fun about abstention? Personally I haven’t had sex since 2007, but I have not met anyone who I would consider dating, let alone have sex with.

  38. BredRightAndTrue
    July 8th, 2013 @ 2:01 pm

    Reading comprehension and logic aren’t really your strong suits, are they? 

    Here’s a newsflash for ya. . .

    Countless UNSAFE abortions are being committed every, single day across this country. Currently–as in the HERE and NOW. 

    These UNSAFE abortions are not only RISKING death for these women seeking to murder their unborn children–these UNSAFE abortions are CAUSING their deaths. And, I’d wager that the plethora of perforated uteri courtesy of abortion mutilation, in tandem with the rampant infections following this vile procedure, are very much responsible for a pretty vast degree of post-abortion “sterilization.” This is ALL happening NOW in the abortion paradise you, and your ilk, have worked so hard to foster. Who needs a “back alley” when there are hundreds-upon-hundreds of “back alleys” disguised as medical clinics all over the place?

    I remain curious as to why you and your pro-abort brethren are so rabidly resistant to legislation that could ensure regulations are met in order to provide a safer, more sanitary environment versus “houses of horror” that “rain fetuses” down upon blood-and-urine-stained facilities with plumbing and toilets clogged with the flesh of mutilated, innocent life, while unqualified and unlicensed staff consciously place matters of life and death into their own filthy hands. Again–I’m all ears.

  39. BredRightAndTrue
    July 8th, 2013 @ 2:05 pm

    There you go again with your “back alley” comparisons with nary a clue as to the reality we are currently living in. Talk about “spouting.” *sheesh*

    I’ll give you a little heads-up here — You are STILL living through those days when abortion is a risk. And, whether it’s in the form of a psychological evaluation, an ultrasound, a thorough explanation of the abortion procedure, or all of the above, could you possibly be so cavalier in your support of this procedure that you are unwilling to have women considering an abortion duly informed as to the details and risks of their “choice?” Do you believe that people deserve to be informed with regard to potential medical procedures? 

    The pro-abort mob so badly want abortionists to be considered doctors, and desire abortions to be accepted as necessary medical procedures all in the name of “women’s health,” yet strongly oppose abortion mills being appropriately licensed and regulated as surgical outpatient facilities. Hypocrisy aside, the dichotomy is beyond glaring and confusing. 

    Furthermore, I am completely aware of the forces of evil so prevalent in our culture, and the world at large. I have no doubt those same forces of evil will continue relatively unabated in their desire to snuff out innocent life, and carry on in their self-righteous, unrepentant, mocking ways. But, I, too, rest assured that I know how the story ends. (*psst* Those who mock Him, and remain unrepentant, lose.)

  40. BredRightAndTrue
    July 8th, 2013 @ 2:11 pm

    Yeah. You got me there. I was pretty convinced you wouldn’t bother yourself to research facts mainly because the facts blast giant holes into your “arguments.”

    Two things: (1) I have long been aware of the laws and regulations of the countries I strongly suggested you research knowing full well those laws and regulations are FAR MORE restrictive than the Texas legislation that appears to have your knickers knotted; and (2) Yes. Europe is MUCH MORE civilized than the U.S. in the regulating of their abortion procedures and facilities, the licensing of REAL doctors and QUALIFIED staff performing abortions, and the limits they place upon abortions (late-term abortions are basically non-existent, and in numerous countries/states attempting to secure an abortion post- twelve weeks doesn’t fly). 

    So, now that you’re up-to-speed, kindly explain why you view the Texas legislation to be extreme in a “back alley” kinda way. I’ll wait.

    As to the end of your screed, there is no hate on my end. Righteous anger at the slaughtering of innocent life for selfishness and convenience? Sure. But, no hate. Furthermore, with regard to your attempt to bring homosexuals into this discussion, I’ll simply state that I prefer to stay on-topic as I endeavor to participate in honest debate. Your invective tone, childish name calling, vile use of “Fuck Off” and “Fuck You,” and your desperate insertion of a strawman is blatant proof that you obviously don’t care to debate, and certainly do not desire to do so honestly.

  41. BredRightAndTrue
    July 8th, 2013 @ 2:18 pm

    I have no need to double check your facts, as I have had facts on abortion for years-upon-years, and more importantly, duly trust the sources from which I have gleaned them. Kudos on bothering to educate yourself though.

    Just for clarification, tell me again–now that you are armed with some facts and truth–why the Texas legislation we are discussing is extreme and uncivilized? Oh. That’s right. You haven’t bothered to do so as of yet. 

  42. BredRightAndTrue
    July 8th, 2013 @ 2:23 pm

    That’s a stellar and cerebral way to move your “arguments” and “points” forward.

    Nauseatingly repeat yourself, “Back-alley abortions!” “Back-alley abortions!”– and then toss in a vile, petulant, teenage “Fuck you.” at the end for good measure.

    I’m here to tell ya, folks — There just ain’t no hate like liberal hate. *smh*

  43. BredRightAndTrue
    July 8th, 2013 @ 2:26 pm

    Marty wrote: “Personally I haven’t had sex since 2007, but I have not met anyone who I would consider dating, let alone have sex with.”

    This is bordering on frustrating and unfair. It is SO difficult not to take a clear shot at such an easy target. *snort* 

  44. None of your business
    July 8th, 2013 @ 2:27 pm

    bullshit–you blast holes in your own head.

    and fuck you–you proselytize, you don’t debate, you only desire is to pontificate

  45. BredRightAndTrue
    July 8th, 2013 @ 2:46 pm

    Wow. Yet another stellar and cerebral attempt at discussion and debate. *eyeroll*

    You leftist pro-aborts, with your nasty, hate-filled, verbal, temper tantrums need to either up your game, or up your meds.

  46. None of your business
    July 8th, 2013 @ 4:45 pm

    whatever smh is. but I don’t really care. What do I have against Texas? The same thing I have against Arkansas, Mississippi, North Dakota and any state that is attempting to put so many restrictions in place that they are trying to make it impossible for women to obtain legal safe abortions. Roe v. Wade is the law. You concerned citizens are such great people, just like the ones who used to call in bomb threats to Swedish Hospital when I worked there and we had to call the cops to come in and patrol the halls. (if you don’t believe me, look it up, I worked there 1987-88)

    I forgot the futility of dealing with people like you. And if you don’t like it when I tell you to fuck off, too bad. I’m not wasting my time anymore. I thought I was dealing with civilized being, obviously I was wrong, You are only interested in insulting me and I have a sister who is all too willing to do that–why should I bother with you?

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  48. BredRightAndTrue
    July 8th, 2013 @ 9:23 pm

    Would you like for me to refer to you as Martyy Reeh, Marty, Guest, None of your business, or Abigail Adams? I’m convinced there are numerous other pseudonyms out there, albeit, unless proffered otherwise, I’ll simply stick with Marty (sans the additional “y”).

    Marty — Kindly, and specifically, define your “attempting to put so many restrictions in place” assertion. Based on your previous posts, you appear to be all cheerlead-y for the abortion laws and regulations/restrictions of places such as Europe, Mexico, Sweden, and Japan, yet you share zero specifics for your contempt of the legislation in Texas (and, as of your latest post–Arkansas, Mississippi, North Dakota, “and any state”). Wait. Let me stop right there. You have actually bothered to read the Texas legislation, right? 

    You know — 

    Maybe just the part where the legislation discusses the protection of human life to be free from suffering horrific pain while they are being murdered in their “mother’s” womb; 

    Or, the section where abortionists would be required to administer chemical abortifacients while they are actually IN THE SAME ROOM as their patient; 

    Oh. And, how about that part where abortions would actually need to be performed in facilities where “safe,” sanitary regulations and licensed staff would have to coincide with EVERY OTHER outpatient, ambulatory, surgical center, you know, considering abortions are medically-necessary procedures for “women’s health” and all that stuff;

    Or, maybe, just maybe, that one section where abortionists (who insist on referring to themselves as “doctors”) would need to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals just in case their sleazy skills go awry and result in a woman potentially dying, or, just plain, ol dying.

    Call me crazy, however, based on your detail-deficient, myopic posts in this thread, I’m going to assume a honest answer would be: “Nope. I haven’t followed nor read the Texas legislation, nor am I familiar with any of the laws on the books for any of the other states I just rattled off.” Oops. I almost forgot your: “Back-alley abortions!” “Back-alley abortions!”clueless tripe.

    Now — shall we tie all of this together with your latest assertion that Roe v Wade remains the law of the land.

    Did the world stop spinning for you circa 1973? How can one be sooooo passionate and rabid and diehard for a pet cause–yet never have bothered to get their hands and mind a little greasy and get to some nuts-and-bolts of the abortion issue post-1973? Planned Parenthood v Casey (1992) wouldn’t be a bad leaping-off point so long as the Earth resumes spinning on its axis in your little world.

    Unless I have missed some ginormous, apocalyptic, recent event–abortion remains readily available and, yep, still LEGAL in the good, ol US of A. Aside from your unfounded and undocumented hysteria, LEGAL remains intact. RARE and SAFE? Not so much. To which you firmly and resiliently reside in the “meh” category.

    You continue to refuse to give any details as to your aversion to the abortion legislation in Texas. Therefore, I’ll simply leave you with this:

    “Some people can’t handle hearing the truth if hearing it would break them out of their comfort zone of ignorance.”

    Ya know, Marty Reeh — I couldn’t have stated it better myself. *smh*