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Bad Causes Attract Bad People: @MRC_43 and Other #FreeKate Freaks

Posted on | October 23, 2013 | 78 Comments

Nearly three weeks after Florida sex offender Kaitlyn Hunt accepted a plea bargain for her crimes against a 14-year-old girl, most people have moved on and forgotten about the shabby scam whereby Hunt and her supporters raised more than $30,000 by portraying the tattoo-covered lesbian criminal as a victim of homophobia.

Alas, the “Free Kate” online movement endures, shamelessly arguing for the “right” to have sex with minors — as young as 13!

“See, Michigan has age of consent laws that I think are beyond sensible and respect the rights of individuals. If two people are in a relationship that develops a sexual component and one person is 18 or older, the relationship is perfectly legal . . . if the underage person is at least 13-16 and/or is no more than more than 5 years younger than than the “adult.” Why hasn’t the rest of the country adopted this policy yet?”

Because they don’t want people having sex with seventh-graders, maybe?

I’m fairly certain that Devan Clyde has misrepresented the specifics of Michigan’s age-of-consent laws, and that it is not “perfectly legal” for an 18-year-old to have sex with a 13-year-old there.

He is describing what is known as a “Romeo & Juliet” exemption, which typically reduces penalties for underage sex within certain age limits, without altogether legalizing such activity. Basically — and I’m sure any lawyer in any state would tell you this — an adult who is sexually involved with anyone under the age of 18 is vulnerable to prosecution, no matter what the age of consent laws may stipulate.

Suppose, for example, a 21-year-old is dating a 17-year-old in a state where the age of consent is 16. No problem, right? Don’t bet on it. Even if you can’t be charged with a sex crime, you could still get in trouble for “contributing to the delinquency of a minor” or “interference with parental custody,” if the minor or her parents get angry and decide to make a hassle. Also (and this is quite common) if drugs or alcohol are involved — you provided your underage girlfriend wine coolers, or a few joints — you might be surprised to discover how little leniency the courts show you. Even if your lawyer can get the charges dropped, or  you get off with a nolo contendre plea, probation and a small fine, the mere fact of your arrest on such charges could be a stigma that haunts you forever.

The claim that it’s “perfectly legal” to have sex with 13-year-olds in Michigan is clearly dubious, but is typical of how “Free Kate” supporters keep desperately grasping for some pretext to argue that what Kaitlyn Hunt did wasn’t really a crime. To all such arguments, it should be sufficient to reply, “Read the original arrest affidavit, and read the petition to have Kaitlyn’s bond revoked.”

Plain facts and common sense, however, are incapable of penetrating the obsessive minds of the “Free Kate” fanatics. From the time they began their online crusade in May, “Free Kate” supporters demonized anyone who sided with the prosecutors or defended the parents of Kaitlyn’s underage victim. This blog was one of their targets, as was Jeanette Runyon, who steadily exposed the madness inside the “Free Kate” movement by simply screen-capping comments made on the group’s Facebook page and posting those screen-caps to Twitter.

Runyon’s success in this regard made her an especial target of Rachael Carson-Zerbe, one of the most visibly disturbed “Free Kate” supporters. You don’t need a Ph.D. in psychology to say that Carson-Zerbe’s fanatical devotion to Kaitlyn Hunt looks crazy. And the fact that Carson-Zerbe continues to lash out at Runyon, accusing her of various crimes, is further evidence in that regard.

What’s going on here? Why does Carson-Zerbe think it is somehow wrong (or even illegal) to have her own words quoted? Why was I accused of “cyberstalking 2 teens” merely for covering this story?

The problem, as I see it, is that Carson-Zerbe developed unrealistic expectations and has been unable to cope with disappointment. When the “Free Kate” crusade launched on May 17, Hunt’s advocates had a five-day run of positive publicity that convinced them they were on the winning team. It was not until May 22 that people began noticing the first version of the story (in which it was falsely claimed the younger girl was 15, and Kaitlyn only 17, when the affair began) was a deliberate lie. On May 23, the victim’s parents gave their first TV interview, directly contradicting the “homophobia” narrative that the Hunt family had been spinning to sympathetic media. By the end of May, the “Free Kate” movement was in meltdown mode:

Matt Ross notices increasingly desperate attempts by #FreeKate fanatics to suppress negative information about Kaitlyn and her family, which is doomed predictably to fail. What is happening here is an attempt to decontextualize Kaitlyn’s crime: We are supposed to accept without question her mother’s testimony as to what a “model student” Kaitlyn is, and how this was just a harmless “romance” between two teenagers. But who is Kelley Hunt Smith to offer this testimony as a character witness?
Is Kate’s mother trustworthy? Is she a good judge of character?
As soon as you start asking questions like that — “Hater! Bigot!” — you’re going to start finding answers that weren’t what the Hunt family had in mind when they decided to make their daughter’s criminal case a nationwide crusade for “equality.” Your skepticism toward The Story Too Good to Be True, rather than being seen as an interest in knowing the full story before rendering judgment (which is what responsible people do), is to the #FreeKate mob evidence of your bad faith (mala fides), because True Believers must believe.
This exposes the real truth, namely that you are dealing with a religious phenomenon: Saint Kate of the Blessed Finger, whose rituals occur within the Shrine of the Sacred Toilet Stall.

That was on May 31 and rather than accept the reality of what had happened — Kaitlyn Hunt was guilty and her parents got caught spreading a lie — “Free Kate” supporters convinced themselves that the real problem was the “hate” of those who exposed the truth.

Once people start engaging in that kind of blame-shifting rationalization, they often find themselves unable to let it go, simply because they have a certain type of personality: Their self-pitying claims of victimhood, and excuse-making strategies to shift responsibility for their own failures, are symptomatic of underlying problems. Yet they cannot accept the fact that they are the cause of their own problems, and therefore require scapegoats to bear the blame.

My advice to anyone harassed by such a disturbed freak is to keep in mind the key point: It’s not about you, it’s about them.

Never let them get away with the typical sociopathic game of claiming that you are responsible for their problems. Clearly, they had problems before they ever heard of you, and they will continue to have problems long after the present argument ends.

“Especially important is the warning to avoid conversations with the demon. . . . He is a liar. The demon is a liar. He will lie to confuse us. But he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. The attack is psychological, Damien, and powerful. So don’t listen to him. Remember that — do not listen.”
— The Exorcist (1973)

Maintain your sanity by ignoring their attacks — don’t be defensive, don’t argue the details — until you catch them clearly lying or threatening you, Then turn the spotlight on them until they run away shrieking about what a victim they are. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Just tell the truth about these disturbed freaks. They hate that.

 

Category: Kaitlyn Hunt

Comments

78 Responses to “Bad Causes Attract Bad People: @MRC_43 and Other #FreeKate Freaks”

  1. MrEvilMatt
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

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  2. CHideout
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

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  3. Resista38176897
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

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  4. jwbrown1969
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

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  5. Lockestep1776
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

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  6. Citzcom
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

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  7. rsmccain
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:34 pm

    Bad Causes Attract Bad People: @MRC_43 and Other #FreeKate Freaks http://t.co/GJbXgHLIyY | | @MrEvilMatt @Jeanette_Runyon @Dana_TFSJ #tgdn

  8. rsmccain
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:40 pm

    RT @jwbrown1969: Bad Causes Attract Bad People: @MRC_43 and Other #FreeKate Freaks: @MRC_43 Rachel, do you understand that your… http://t…

  9. rsmccain
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:41 pm

    “Maintain your sanity by ignoring their attacks — don’t be defensive, don’t argue the details ..” http://t.co/GJbXgHLIyY | @ali @wjjhoge

  10. rsmccain
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:43 pm

    “Plain facts and common sense … are incapable of penetrating the obsessive minds of the #FreeKate fanatics.” http://t.co/GJbXgHLIyY

  11. BobBelvedere
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:47 pm

    RT @rsmccain: “Plain facts and common sense … are incapable of penetrating the obsessive minds of the #FreeKate fanatics.” http://t.co/GJ…

  12. The Bearded Bastard of Babylon
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 1:57 pm

    I think this saga is far from over.

    The “Kate’s Fight” movement for wuv and homosex with minors will launch soon after St Kate is out of jail on December 20 and she promptly leaves Florida… Then she’ll start doing interviews and attending gay rights events, perhaps while enrolled at a prestigious university…

    Her attorney and her parents have warned us as much!

  13. Quartermaster
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:01 pm

    Zerbe is clearly depraved. The raving left is nothing, if not depraved.

  14. kssturgis62
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:02 pm

    It is ILLEGAL to have sex with a 13 Year old in Michigan. The age of Consent in Michigan is 16. When other factors are involved, say for instance he/she has power over them, drugs or alcohol are involved, parents and the 16 yr old start arguing, parents are to have control over the upbringing of their minor child, things take a different turn. I don’t know where in the world they get 13. Our Senate in January just passed a bill – (not in the house as of yet )that would increase the age of consent between students and teachers. The bill would raise that upper limit to include students age 18, 19 and 20 in the ban. http://michiganvotes.org/Legislation.aspx?ID=152884

  15. RS
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:13 pm

    Typical Progressive Response: When the facts conflict with the narrative, the facts must go! The examples are legion.

  16. Jeanette_Runyon
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:16 pm

    RT @rsmccain: “Plain facts and common sense … are incapable of penetrating the obsessive minds of the #FreeKate fanatics.” http://t.co/GJ…

  17. joethefatman1
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:24 pm

    Bad Causes Attract Bad People: @MRC_43 and Other #FreeKate Freaks http://t.co/CsO9MjenPk

  18. Jeanette_Runyon
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:31 pm

    Bad Causes Attract Bad People: @MRC_43 and Other #FreeKate Freaks http://t.co/OlUxjJn58M …

  19. MrEvilMatt
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:42 pm

    RT @rsmccain: Bad Causes Attract Bad People: @MRC_43 and Other #FreeKate Freaks http://t.co/GJbXgHLIyY | | @MrEvilMatt @Jeanette_Runyon @Da…

  20. Jeanette Victoria
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:44 pm

    FYI she posted the same jpg she sent “anonymously” to the Lexington PD about me I don’t live in the city of Lexington I live in the county That along with her report she made to the Vero PD is off line stalking

    FYI she said a friend sent it for her because she has a family and a child….meaning what?

  21. Jeanette Victoria
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:45 pm

    I’m waiting for the talk show circuit and a full scholarship somewhere because she is an oppressed pervert

  22. robertstacymccain
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:47 pm

    Thanks for the information!

  23. rsmccain
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:48 pm

    “Then turn the spotlight on them until they run away shrieking about what a victim they are.” http://t.co/GJbXgHLIyY

  24. rsmccain
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:49 pm

    “Just tell the truth about these disturbed freaks. They hate that.” http://t.co/GJbXgHLIyY

  25. rsmccain
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:51 pm

    Harassed by a disturbed freak? Keep in mind the key point: It’s not about YOU, it’s about THEM. http://t.co/GJbXgHLIyY #bullying

  26. FoxNewsMom
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:56 pm

    RT @rsmccain: “Just tell the truth about these disturbed freaks. They hate that.” http://t.co/GJbXgHLIyY

  27. Jeanette_Runyon
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:57 pm

    @KKirberger I’m deleting you from the convo Kim #RCZ has BPD and is engaging in a smear campaign http://t.co/bNj2Xhtj3h …

  28. Jeanette_Runyon
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 2:59 pm

    RT @rsmccain: Harassed by a disturbed freak? Keep in mind the key point: It’s not about YOU, it’s about THEM. http://t.co/GJbXgHLIyY #bully…

  29. The Bearded Bastard of Babylon
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 3:02 pm

    “Facebook… slow to take action” !!! How do you rate? FB couldn’t clamp my page down any faster!

  30. The Bearded Bastard of Babylon
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 3:05 pm

    Today’s “oppressed pervert” is tomorrow’s Professor Emeritus!

  31. JollyOldMe
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 3:15 pm

    You can always just get your 16 year old girlfriend to file to be emancipated from her parents and then she is technically an adult and age of consent laws are moot. I think that was Ted Nugent’s strategy. As another commenter(a conservative one at that too) claimed in another post that attractions to teen girls(and even nearly pubescent one’s) is “biologically rational” and so in light of that how could it’s “deviant” or “perverse”? It’s supposed perversity is then a matter of abstract legal codes and dare i say, personal taste. And trying to obscure the issue of age of consent laws by attacking Kate Hunt’s background or character is not going to be enough to stop this issue from gaining ground and going forward in the future.

  32. JollyOldM
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

    You’re about one step away from being Carrie’s mom. And quoting from discredited drivel like the Pink Swastika and claiming gays are responsible for Nazi death camps doesn’t help much either, looney.

  33. Jeanette Victoria
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 3:38 pm

    The Pink Swastika has never been discredited in fact it is extremely well documented. Not to mention it isn’t the first book to write about the conection between Nazism and homosexuality

  34. Jeanette Victoria
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 3:40 pm

    Not sure what the complaint would be I hardly ever post about the Hunts and their sexual predator daughter on Facebook

  35. The Bearded Bastard of Babylon
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 3:42 pm

    Boy, I did! That’s what got me! No regrets though!

  36. Mm
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 3:42 pm

    Then that’s what she should do, get emancipated. I must say, however, that the “my adult lover wants to diddle me without interference from my parents” legal argument is not a winner.

  37. Mm
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 3:43 pm

    By the way, I am unaware of a “conservative” exemption for perverts. They belong to all political persuasions, religions and professions.

  38. richard mcenroe
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:03 pm

    If only she wasn’t from the *shudder* South, NYU and Columbia would be fighting over her…

  39. richard mcenroe
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:04 pm

    Except the conservative ones tend not to march around DEMANDING their license be validated. And conservatives don’t defend them against all reason and decency when they’re outed.

  40. Mm
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:09 pm

    Yes, but you an see typical liberal thinking here – everyone must be placed in a group and labeled. So, JollyOldMe mentions Ted Nugent and a “conservative commenter” thinking that it will work here the way it works on leftist side of the aisle. It doesn’t, in part exactly for the reasons you just gave.

  41. JollyOldME
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:18 pm

    Yeah, it hasn’t been discredited by the agenda driven anti-LGBT people. That carries next to nothing with normal people.

  42. rsmccain
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:18 pm

    RT @commonpatriot: via @rsmccain: Bad Causes Attract Bad People: @MRC_43 and Other #FreeKate Freaks http://t.co/NKkjj2neeQ #tcot

  43. Quartermaster
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:20 pm

    Everyone knows us Southrons are raaaaacists and Kluxers from way back. You know, like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

  44. JollyOLdMe
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:23 pm

    She’s not a pervert. Here’s the thread:

    http://www.theothermccain.com/2013/10/21/pro-pedophile-author-how-dare-you-call-me-a-pro-pedophile-author/#disqus_thread

    She then goes on to argue that human nature is “corrupt” and that is the reason for these supposed “perverse” attractions even if they are biologically rational which makes very little sense because nature trumps Man’s abstractions. Human nature being “corrupt” is the purview of religion and if you take that out of the equation then you just have biologically rational which means nature is perverse. Is that what we’re arguing? If so, it sheds a hell of a lot of light on why the Christian religion tends to be so batshit at times. If you’re from nature but contend that nature is perverse that means you’re perverse and that’s just a lot of self loathing.

    And no, me bringing up Nugent was sarcasm.

  45. Dana
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:28 pm

    [Bzzt!] Wrong answer! Being emancipated from one’s parents does not make one an adult. If an emancipated minor of 17 years of age has sexual intercourse with an 18 year old, in a state in which the age of consent is 18, the adult has committed statutory rape.

  46. Mm
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:42 pm

    I think you’re missing my point, but thanks for clarifying yours. You’ve also made your Christophobia very clear. All Christian groups do not believe that human nature is inherently corrupt; some do, such as Calvinists. Catholics do not. You do realize, of course, that both Islam and Buddhism have some of the same sexual constraints as Christianity? In the case of same sex activity, for example, all three prohibit it? Yet you single out Christianity. Would you also state that Islam is batshit at times?

  47. Dana
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:46 pm

    The real problem with the arguments given by the #FreeKaters — and I appreciate that my old tweet was republished! — is that they are fixated on the age of the older partner and saying that it was all consensual, without ever considering that the younger partner is not legally able to consent, and may well not be mentally and emotionally ready to consent to such, even if the laws are not considered.

    We have established age of consent laws in every state, every state, because society requires standards for the protection of minors and the responsibility of adults. Children under 18 require their parents’ permission to enlist in the Army, to get a tattoo, to have (non-emergency) medical treatment, to get their ears pierced, to sign contracts, to do just about anything, but our friends on the left think that 14 year olds ought to be able to consent to sex, get contraceptives and have abortions. It seems that it’s only the sexual and sexually-related things to which the libs think they should be able to consent; how fornicated up is that?

    Even the #FreeKaters wouldn’t say that it should be OK for a 14 year old to consent to have sex with a 36 year old, but an obvious question is: why not? If they believe that a 14 year old is old enough and mature enough to consent to copulation with an 18 year old, why wouldn’t that 14 year old be old enough and mature enough to consent to copulation with a 53 year old? The decision is exactly the same! The only difference is that our good friends on the left would be creeped out by the 53/14 relationship, which means that they are imposing their judgements about what is proper and improper intercourse just as much as the legislators were when they passed age of consent laws!

    It’s also the evidence of what I stated earlier: they are concentrating on the older partner, and not the younger.

  48. The Bearded Bastard of Babylon
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:49 pm

    Being from the South only increases her “victim” cred!

  49. Mm
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 4:53 pm

    Wow, you sort of make some sense and then you just go off the rails. Are you suggesting that LGBT are NOT agenda-driven? It is a historical fact that Hitler used the gay movement in Nazi Germany to rise to power, and then when he had that power, he murdered his gay supporters, including his astrologer, on the Night of the Long Knives. See The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer.

  50. tlk244182
    October 23rd, 2013 @ 5:48 pm

    “If you take that [Original sin] out of the equation…”

    Chesterton thought that our fallen nature was the only part of Christian theology which could really be proved. “Whether or no man could be washed in miraculous waters, there was no doubt at any rate that he wanted washing.”

    And you’re correct: authentic Christian spirituality begins with self-loathing, though it does not end there. The Fall of Man is the reason why Christian conservatives are loathe to concentrate power in one place, why they think in terms of ‘freedom from,’ rather than ‘freedom to.’

    And yes, Nature was damaged also: “Cursed be the ground etc.”

    And yes,Christianity is foolishness (‘batshit’) to worldlings.