NARAL: ‘Tactic Of Humanizing Fetuses’

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by Smitty


I realize we’re not supposed to ask “hahrd” questions, but it would be helpful if the Servants of Moloch could explain something.
Accepting for the sake of argument that humans are not continuously human from conception on through death, how DOES the fetus transition from non-human to human state? What magical chrysalis occurs, when the embryo goes from non-human to human status?
I realize that this is a key component of abortion mythology, but I’ve never heard any proponent of the fiction explain it.

57 comments

  1. Join me in buying at least one extra bag of Doritos this week. If you don’t like Doritos, buy a bag and give it to the kid next door or the next guy that panhandles you.

  4. Actually, Nancy Pelosi has explained when this happens, although not how. When you take baby home from the hospital, it’s human.

    I suspect she hasn’t given any thought to babies not born in hospitals, or taken from hospitals to places other than homes.

    Or kept in hospitals for a long time for treatment–if a child requires continual care in the hospital from birth for, say, two years, and in the twenty-third month after birth somebody kills it, is it not homicide?

  5. Another side of the argument is: “they’re human, you see, but they’re not people.”

    So, I guess we can legally murder preteens and younger? Because, under the law, they’re not considered people?

    But then, how the heck are dolphins considered persons?

  7. The tweet accurately expresses their position. Consider the lengths the pro-abortion crowd go to avoid attaching words like “baby” or “child” to the unborn. Humans generally have an aversion to killing each other. In order to kill, you must first dehumanize.

  8. It’s that ephemeral moment when the baby, er, fetus, emerges from the womb. I can’t determine though, is it when the head emerges or the feet? And if it ever becomes human if born by caesarian section?

  10. I’ve heard and read arguments that that shouldn’t be the case, even if she was murdered because she was pregnant. That in particular has always astounded me.

  11. The woman imparts humanness when she decides she wants the baby. It can thus occur anytime ranging from 1 microsecond after conception to 1 microsecond before birth.

    It’s an amazing power conferred by SCOTUS, allowing one human to will another into or out of existence, but only females have this power. Men cannot wish others out of existence, much as they might yearn for the day when NARAL supporters could be excised as easily as those same NARAL supporters excise a fetus

  12. Sadly, it is a failure of those of us who are Pro-life to emphasize this subjective definition of human-ness to the general public. When one’s humanity is predicated upon the mere whim of another, truly the end is nigh.

  13. How many ads, cartoons, movies, books, etc., ad nauseum, humanize animals?

    Have they ever complained about animals being humanized? We even have movies that humanize insects!

    Doesn’t this pour guilt on the people who kill bugs in their homes?

    Doesn’t this insult the people who make the CHOICE(!) to put their dogs and cats “to sleep”?

  14. So let me get this right..
    Eating doritos in an advertisement = the worst thing in the world because you are humanizing a clump of cells.
    Yet the website of feminist first choice, Jezebel says this..

    “…Over the years, studies have shown music listened to during pregnancy may have a positive effect on babies after they are born. Some believe that auditory fetal learning can later help with a child’s memory skills and brain development. A recent study from Barcelona gynecology clinic Institut Marquès has found that fetuses can detect sound as early as 16 weeks.

    The result of the study is Babypod, a pink speaker that a woman inserts into her vagina like a tampon, The Cut reports. This allows the fetus to listen to music right from within the womb, instead of from a headphone wrapped around a pregnant belly, which Babypod’s website says would result in muffled sounds, opposed to the intense and clear noises a vaginal sound system would provide. After pumping up the Babypod, ultrasounds showed the fetuses responding to the music by moving their mouths and tongues, as if they were performing Lip Sync Battle in utero….”

    So which is it feminists, a clump of cells or something you believe can respond to outside stimuli at 16 weeks?

  18. Sex. The left can’t stand any truth, not hidden by the hallucinations of liberalism, that stands in the way of sex. Abortion, faggotry, it all reigns supreme to the liberal when laid before the dog-level muscle reflex to screw.

  21. “I realize we’re not supposed to ask “hahrd” questions, but it would be helpful if the Servants of Moloch could explain something.”
    You do understand, do you not, that math is hard. The hard question bar is pretty low with that bunch. A sane person wouldn’t call them hard, just of slight difficulty. They become hard only when you seek to maintain murder of babies for the cause of convenience.

  22. The answer I’ve gotten (when translated into English from the original Invective) is that autonomy of the body is absolute. So the foetus cannot be a “human being”, because it impinges on someone else’s body. Thus, until birth, it is a mere “body part” and not a “human being”. QED.
    This is, of course, an arbitrary definition and a circular argument: “A foetus is not a human being because it can be aborted, and it can be aborted because it’s not a human being.” There’s no way to counter this sort of “argument”, other than pointing out the fallacy. Unfortunately the fallacy doesn’t bother people, because they’re not arguing, but rationalizing an a-priori conclusion (“Abortion must be legal, therefore the thing aborted must not be a human being”).

    On the plus side, at least “birth” is close to being an objectively verifiable benchmark rather than a purely subjective one. I have asked, as a follow-up, at what precise moment during the process of delivery the change occurs, but haven’t gotten an answer to that yet.

  25. We used to only be surprised by the baby’s sex at birth, now we’re also surprised by her species. That’s what happens when you go to publick skool.

  29. The feet are OK. It’s when the head comes out. That’s why you can legally engage in the barbarity of partial birth abortion.

  30. What if the child delivers prematurely at 5 months and survives? And what about the babies who survive abortion? Are those babies even human at all? Are they some sort of missing link? A completely different genus perhaps? Do some cell clumps become human months sooner than others?

    And why is the impinging upon another’s body the baby’s fault, such that he must receive a death sentence? He didn’t put himself there. Indeed, wouldn’t the culprit be the individual who allowed the baby egg to enter the fallopian tube(s) in preparation for fertilization? In fact, isn’t that the sole biological function of fallopian tubes? The woman therefore misused the fallopian tube by criminally allowing the egg to enter it. So if a baby survives abortion and goes on to live, thus being legally acknowledged as human, shouldn’t the baby have the right to sue the woman for causing criminal impingement upon herself without the baby’s consent? Shouldn’t the ACLU or LE get involved because the baby’s right to not impinge was violated? In fact, couldn’t it be said that the baby was kidnapped from the ovary by the woman, and forced into a state of fertilization without permission? If the woman is responsible for forcing the baby egg into a state of fertilization, isn’t she the one legally responsible for the alleged impingement?

  32. Not only is it true but when you put that or any pro-life argument forward, the left will curse, swear, sabotage, write 5,000 word essays in HuffPo, write TV & movie scripts, play with the language (the essential human right of a woman to control her own destiny as she prances through a field of daisies….) rather than admit the bottom-line truth: Murder = murder.

  35. Which begs the question: is the unborn child human if the mother decides that she wants him, and then becomes not human if she changes her mind?

  36. Alas! the question isn’t when the unborn child becomes human, but when he becomes a legal person. The case of Dred Scott v Sanford is instructive here.

  37. Ah, but you see, she didn’t consent to her baby being killed. It’s only murder when it’s without her consent, therefore it only stops being a person when she stops thinking of it as one. Or something like that.

  40. And the slippery slope is real. Canada took abortion one step further and made maternal infanticide a misdemeanor in the first year, so now their activists are agitating to get it fully decriminalized.

    The feminist death cult literally wants legal abortion for at least the first seven trimesters, and who knows how long really.

  42. “Whoa. You were screaming so loud, I thought you were having a cow. Congratulations, it’s a human!”

  44. I might be misremembering the details. The point is, they made it a lower-level crime, and I read about at least one case where a woman just got probation for murdering her postnatal infant.

  46. EASY!
    Mere zygotes MUST physically touch the same “Magic Dirt” that ALSO magically transforms barbarians into Fine American taxpayer/volunteer Citizens, and grants everyone ….EQUAL status

  47. They don’t dare name a time or event because they know that the pro lifers would immediately demand that that be the cut off for allowing abortion.

    For the Anti Lifers, abortion must be available throughout the entire process or women “aren’t free to choose”.

    And that means that only after exit from the womb is the allowable stance. Which they know will never be acceptable.

    This is what 9 faulty humans have wreaked on our society.

  48. And, what’s wrong with Veggie Tales? Or are you some kind of dehumanizing monster who would deny Larry his personhood?
    (Yes I saw a lot of Veggie Tales with young grandkids).

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