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Polls Confirm: America Loves Liars

Posted on | August 10, 2012 | 37 Comments

Is anyone else troubled by the evidence that this lie-a-minute strategy by the Obama campaign is working? The CNN poll shows Obama leading by 7 points and the Fox News poll shows him ahead by 9 points, and I’m at a loss to think of anything in the past couple of weeks that could have moved the polls this way except that Democrats are telling a bunch of shameless lies.

UPDATE: Allahpundit at Hot Air does the heavy lifting, analyzing the internals, and concludes:

The two sides aren’t similarly situated; Romney’s an unknown quantity for most while Obama’s been the most famous man on the planet for four years. Not only does that make it harder for the GOP to define him than it was for him to define Mitt, but it gives O a much simpler task with regard to the shrinking pool of undecideds. Those people are already wary of reelecting him (that’s why they’re undecided), so they’re essentially Romney persuadables. Romney needs to persuade them, but all Obama needs to do is keep Romney on the defensive and keep the campaign dumb and nasty so that those persuadables stop caring and stay home. It’s incredibly cynical but it’s his best bet. If you believe these two polls, it’s working okay so far.

This isn’t encouraging and, unlike some previous polls, there is no way to arrange the numbers and find good news for the GOP.

Comments

  • http://qwertyaltofuori.blogspot.com Red

    CNN + FoxNews = ::I wish there was an emoticon for ‘poop’::

    Polls are so reliable. 

  • PaulLemmen

    In gmail there is a smiley that is a pile of poop with flies buzzing around it …

  • http://twitter.com/DaTechGuyblog Peter Ingemi

    For God’s sake Stacy, The Fox Poll had a D+9 split and the CNN poll didn’t even give internals. 

    Obama can’t get to fifty with a D+9 split and in the CNN poll and in both polls Romney overperforms vs the number of GOP  polled.

    You should know better than to fall for his BS

     

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  • MAR1217

    I agree with Peter. Polls are used to depress people who won’t vote for Obama. At this point they do not reflect reality.

  • http://qwertyaltofuori.blogspot.com Red

    Ag well, insert that icon there 😉

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJGP4QXZ5PRW2MFA5E25CV2WNU rosalie

    That sounds perfect for anything related to Obama.

  • Finrod Felagund

    Rasmussen has Romney 47, Obama 43 for the second day in a row.  Look at the graph: Romney has been ahead most of the time for the last three months, and Rasmussen weights his polls properly.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
     

  • Marty

    I agree. Listening to the polls depresses me even though I tell myself they just can’t be right. I’m going with Rasmussen which has always been more reliable and because it makes me feel better. Does make one wonder if people really don’t have a problem with lies. I think it’s mostly that they aren’t paying attention.

  • JeffS

     There’s a reason why Allahpundit is also known as “Eeyore“.

  • OldNuc

    Just strike out “Polls Confirm” from the headline, the remainder is true.  This is the strong horse – weak horse argument. At the moment Obozo is looking to be the strong leader, even when he is less than truthful.

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  • sheryl

    The democrat party has always spoken to the individuals that 1. do not pay attention.  2. are not concerned with politics and therefore cannot distinguish truth from falsehood. I will tell you for example that my immediate next door neighbor loves Obama, as do all of his friends…the kicker? he does not vote, never has, nor does his wife or children. They did not vote in 08 and they are not voting now.

    They are ignorant as rocks when it comes to politics. These ads work for them. Smart people, just could care less about learning or getting involved. So, in that household there are six votes Obama won’t get.

    I wouldn’t worry about the polls right now. 

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  • ThomasD

    You fight an election with the Milquetoast you have…

    Sigh.

  • http://profiles.google.com/exxo03 richard mcenroe

    I would just like some sign the RNC is not applying its signature move here, i.e., run a “lose with dignity” campaign and hamstring a promising conservative hopeful by burying them in the VP slot of a doomed run….

  • EarlScruggs

    Perhaps we like liars (I know that the Dems do, they want their candidates to lie, because it is clever).  Or perhaps we are getting massively sockpuppeted.  I don’t know what to believe out of polls these days.  

    A friend on FB linked something that suggests maybe we are.  Of course it is the Economist and I don’t necessarily agree with where they go with it, but the author suggests that we are all being sockpuppeted, all the time, but not in those words.

    http://alturl.com/yqw8w

    I used the shorturl because the long one was, umm, long – it goes to an article in The Economist.  

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  • Adobe_Walls

    The media has published polls with as much a D+14 over the last few weeks. Internals that skewed have to be deliberate.

  • http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/ Evi L. Bloggerlady

    Polls are snap shots in time.  And they are only as good as the entities conducting them.  I tend to trust Rasmussen (his polls generally seem to track fairly closely to what the results ultimately come in at so I assume his earlier polls are done right).  

  • http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/ Evi L. Bloggerlady

    I am taking all of this with a grain of salt.  Especially given this:  
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    So why is Rasmussen wrong?  

  • http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/ Evi L. Bloggerlady

    Yes.  

  • http://qwertyaltofuori.blogspot.com Red

    Bah! Polls Schmolls. That’s like relying on campaign ads to give you the full scope of a candidate.::raspberries::

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AVPUJZVN2DTFLUSHJMTOQGMMCU Nick

    Good God, you and Allah Pundit and several others in the blogosphere are such chicken little’s its stunning.  No way to spin this as positive?  Look at the internals!  They are D+9 at a minimum. Not likely voters. Sheesh.  Wake up you are being manipulated.

  • http://qwertyaltofuori.blogspot.com Red

    Bah! Polls Schmolls. That’s like relying on campaign ads to give you the full scope of a candidate.::raspberries::

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

     And Gallup has them even.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

     The all-time record actual Presidential electorate was 2008 with D+7.  So we are to believe this year they will exceed that margin by 28%?  Right.

    CNN’s polling partner is relatively new in the game, but worked for Obama in 2008.  The only solid number on the breakdown of their 1011 sample of adults is that the questions on the Veep and enthusiasm for Mitt were asked of 419 “Republicans AND Republican-leaning independents” so we know that’s the total for those groups.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

     He’s a complete idiot.  And instead of actually thinking about an issue or researching a story, he makes a post out of every poll so it looks like he is doing something.

    They’ve brought in some new blood over there, so he is clearly dead wood.  He may have been Malkin’s little houseboy, but perhaps someone at Salem will actually read the site and ask, “We are paying this guy for WHAT, exactly?”

    Whine all you wish about Tina Korbe, but she was clearly more original and had more intellectual heft than AP.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

     Since when does the RNC have any control over the candidate or his VP?  It’s actually the other way around.  From the moment the candidate clinches, the RNC is his bitch.

    RNC only has some clout in off years during Democratic Administrations.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

     Bottom line, as was mentioned on the first page, even with a sample skewed Democratic beyond any actual electorate for a Presidential year since Lincoln, Obama can’t crack 50%.

    He is going down, hard, provided we don’t let the agitprop discourage our voters.

    Obama +11 among independents?  I can’t believe they even report that with a straight face.

  • Finrod Felagund

    Obama only won by 7 points in 2008; any poll that puts him +7 or better is immediately and highly suspect since there’s absolutely no way short of massive fraud that Obama is going to do better in the 2012 election than he did the 2008 election.
     

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  • DaveO

    Tom Brady.

  • DaveO

    Bradley, even.

  • http://pumping-irony.livejournal.com/ Wilbur Post

     Also, gotta remember media companies make tons of money in presidential election years.  This is their equivalent of the retailers’ Christmas season only it comes once every 4 years.  They are gonna go their damnedest to make it seem like a horserace even if they have to create BS polls to do it. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

    You can say that again!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

     There is still debate whether or not there was ever really a “Bradley Effect” or not.  And whether or not it exists for Obama, they STILL have to fudge the sample to save him.