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Truth in Humor: Ashley Judd Edition

Posted on | March 9, 2013 | 61 Comments

Ashley Judd (D-Scotland)

“If and when Judd actually tosses her hat into the ring, the race would automatically become the marquee political story of 2014.”
Alan Schroeder, Huffington Post

One of the important things about appreciating sarcasm is that it helps to understand intent: What is being mocked, and why? Otherwise, the cruel jests may seem entirely pointless and personal.

Here are three facts about Ashley Judd:

  1. She has been a spokeswoman for the abortion-industry lobbying group, NARAL. You can look it up.
  2. She is childless, and the failure of her fertility treatments was widely reported. You can look that up, too.
  3. After pro-life Republican Rick Santorum ended his 2012 presidential campaign, Ashley Judd starred in a “humorous” video that mocked Santorum by comparing his campaign to an abortion.

If you know that I am a pro-life father of six who supported Santorum’s candidacy, it is not necessary to explain why I’m so (ironically) excited by news that Ashley Judd is reportedly moving forward with plans to run for the Senate in Kentucky. A long season of mockery, ending ultimately in the “abortion” of Judd’s own campaign, offers ample opportunity for sweet, sweet payback. So . . .

Ms. Shriveled Lifeless Womb, who disparages motherhood and Ronald Reagan, and has compared coal mining to rape, thinks she’s going to get herself elected Senator in Kentucky. Need I mention she wrote a whole self-dramatizing feminist essay about her puffy face?

This — this — is “the marquee political story of 2014”?

Please, dear God, let this happen. The National Republican Senatorial Committee shares a mock Judd-for-Senate fundraising e-mail:

It’s time for Kentuckians to stand up and be counted.
We need someone representing us in Washington who was a Tennessee delegate for Barack Obama in 2012.
We need someone who believes it is “unconscionable to breed.”
Someone who has compared mountaintop removal mining to Rwandan genocide and has criticized Christianity as a religion that “legitimizes and seals male power.”
Someone who has called the tradition of fathers “giving away” their daughters at weddings “a common vestige of male dominion over a woman’s reproductive status.”
Finally somebody had the courage to say it!

 The jokes just write themselves, don’t they? And did anyone ever deserve it more than this Cheerleader for Baby-Killing?

Also, her face is so . . . puffy.

Yet my sarcasm should not be interpreted as meaning that I lack sympathy for the shameful human tragedy that is Ashley Judd.

This was why last year I offered therapeutic suggestions to help her cope with what appears to be a case of post-abortion trauma:

ASHLEY JUDD: A CASE STUDY?
The actress Ashley Judd’s outspoken support of NARAL, and her use of cruel jokes about abortion to mock Rick Santorum, suggest the possibility that Judd is herself post-abortive. Certainly, there is reason to believe that Judd’s strident pro-abortion statements are at least partly motivated by her own personal problems. She has described herself as a survivor of sexual abuse and recounted her history of depression and, in 2006, told Glamour magazine she spent 47 days being treated in a Texas facility for her mental-health issues. According to at least one tabloid account, Judd’s marriage to Indy-car racer Dino Franchitti nearly broke up because of her inability to have children, despite undergoing years of treatment for infertility. Given this background, we cannot dismiss the likelihood that Judd’s pro-abortion politics represent an expression of psychological disturbances, perhaps an attempt to cope by rationalizing her emotional trauma through attacks on scapegoats.

You can read the rest at, “Five Academy Award-Winning Beauties Who Are Moms (Unlike Ashley Judd).”

A woman who spent 47 days being treated for mental-health problems — who is probably on a daily regimen of prescription anti-depressant medications — is certainly deserving of sympathy. This is especially problematic as Judd enters the menopausal phase where she is likely afflicted with a profound sense of grief about the loss of her sexual attractiveness. Remember, she once posed nude while portraying famed sex symbol Marilyn Monroe.

So we must be understanding of the complex psychiatric issues with which Ashley Judd is coping, the severe chronic mental problem of which her “politics” are merely symptoms.

We’re here to help. #Caring

UPDATE: To address criticism in the comments below, a new post: “Clean-Up on Aisle Nine!

 


Comments

61 Responses to “Truth in Humor: Ashley Judd Edition”

  1. souperfan2012
    March 9th, 2013 @ 7:02 am

    @smitty_one_each
    Ola!
    You now have me pondering; will SOE use his twitbuds as a twikepedia?

  2. Steve in TN ™
    March 9th, 2013 @ 8:20 am

    Not to mention she’s a carpetbagger from Tennessee.

  3. elaine
    March 9th, 2013 @ 8:44 am

    I’m no fan of Ashley Judd, heaven knows. She’s a vacuous psuedo-intellectual leftist who thinks she gets to make pronouncements on how the rest of us should live.

    HOWEVER, your attacks on her lady parts are disgusting. When Sarah Palin was called the b-word and the c-word by lefties and said to be “not a real woman” we had reason to be outraged. We lose that moral authority when you engage in this childish nastiness regarding Judd’s childless state.

    Would you ridicule a man who had no testicles? Would you make that the CENTER of your political attacks against him?

    There’s plenty to mock her for, and deservedly so. Leave her childlessness out of it. You’re better than that, Stacy.

  4. Robert Evans
    March 9th, 2013 @ 9:00 am

    In the tradition of “Chimpy McHitlerburton” and “Granny Rictus McBotoximplants” I dub Ashley Judd “Puffyface McHippystank!”

  5. Freddie Sykes
    March 9th, 2013 @ 9:02 am

    From her autobiography I get the impression that Ashley seems to imply that life would have been more rewarding if only her mother had had the sense and opportunity to abort Wynonna.

    ‘My dad sold electronic components for the aerospace industry; my mom
    stayed home and seethed with boredom. They had dreams, just different
    ones. And they had secrets.
    They had married too young and for the “wrong” reason — namely, the
    unplanned pregnancy that produced my older sister, Christina (you know
    her as Wynonna), when Mom was only seventeen.’

  6. rustypaladin
    March 9th, 2013 @ 9:28 am

    I have no doubt in my mind that, if a man with no testicles were to run for office as a Republican, the left would take that fact and run with it. They already did something similar to John McCain. That being said, R.S. McCain should probably tone it down a bit. She will be her own worst enemy in KY. She doesn’t need any help.

  7. JohnInMA
    March 9th, 2013 @ 9:39 am

    I see your point. Whenever there is an effort to psychoanalyze someone in public just because they are in public, I get a little queasy anyway. It seems like all of the points made are facts she divulged publicly at one point or another. But tying those together to explain other statements or actions kind of risks looking like a cheap shot (simply an opportunity to bring up her troubles). She appears to have bought the progressive view of abortion as entirely a matter of a woman’s right with perfect disregard for any other BODY. After all, she seems willing, even, to consider the absence of her older sister in the world just to rationalize why abortion is a “tool” her mother should have considered and used. I can’t make the leap to that political position being associated with her mental or physical histories without some true evidence.

  8. FenelonSpoke
    March 9th, 2013 @ 10:03 am

    Apparently the puffy face has tp do with steroid use for an illness. Steroid use-say for something like Addison’s disease or respiratory issues-has a lot of unpleasant side effects.

    However, there’s no way of determining why she’s childless

    and I find the conjecture unseemly. This kind of nastiness may backfire by making her an object of pity-and more likely that people will vote for her because he’s being attacked by conservatives in a nasty way. And yes, I hated it when the same was done to Palin by liberals.

    Please stick with her political or social views which are extreme and don’t deal her looks or mental health issues.

  9. steveb
    March 9th, 2013 @ 11:04 am

    I was disgusted by the womb references. Easily the worst blog post I’ve ever seen on here. Look, she’s such a lunatic, you don’t have to go far to uncover piles and piles of election crushing items. When you throw in the infertility crap, you really come off like a bully. You are better than this, Stace.

  10. ThomasD
    March 9th, 2013 @ 11:06 am

    Elaine you might wish to Google (better yet, Bing) the words ‘game theory tit-for-tat’ to understand what is going on here.

    Politics is not the high road.

    Ever.

    But I don’t see any name calling directed at Judd, just a recitation of publicly known facts.

  11. Quartermaster
    March 9th, 2013 @ 11:06 am

    She has placed herself down range of any criticism that comes her way from people like TOM. Some of the post is unseemly, but she has acted in an unseemly fashion that begs such treatment in return. Since she obviously doesn’t take herself seriously, why should we? Her pattern of incivility also places here in a position of having no right to whine about being so treated. She is a contemptible person.

  12. steveb
    March 9th, 2013 @ 11:19 am

    The key in what you said is ” SHE is a contemptible person”. We’re not contemptible. We don’t make fun of someone because they have a medical problem. Now, if you want to quote her insanity, document her time in a mental institution, have at it. If you want to discuss withering wombs, you are out of bounds. She might be a bitch, but mocking her infertility makes us look just as bad as her.

  13. elaine
    March 9th, 2013 @ 11:34 am

    We’re not playing this tit-for-tat game in a vacuum, Thomas. It’s being waged before a live audience. And that’s the difference between politics and tit-for-tat. This won’t play well with the masses. It doesn’t even play well with most conservative women.

    The left falsely accused the GOP of waging a “war on women” during the last campaign. This post turns their false allegation into a true one, and it will be held up as an example of just what cruel misogynists republicans are. If you and Stacy are cool with that, so be it, but I don’t want to be tarred with that same brush, thanks.

    Judd’s womb and its contents or lack thereof neither qualifies NOR disqualifies her for public service. The same is true for Palin, Hillary Clinton, or any woman — left or right. A woman’s womb and what she chooses to do with it has nothing to do with politics. Got it?

    You can say that politics isn’t the high road and all, but I refuse to subscribe to the “by any means necessary” method of winning. We either have principles or we don’t. We either believe that some attacks don’t belong in a political campaign or we don’t. We either believe that there should be a certain level of civility or we don’t. And if we believe that there are limits, then we have to live by them.

    I know where I stand and why, and I apply the same standards to both sides. Do you?

  14. Daria DiGiovanni
    March 9th, 2013 @ 11:35 am

    I am no fan of Ashley for all of the reasons stated here; she’s the poster child for leftist hypocrisy and condescension. I do take a bit of issue with the idea that all women who are in their 40s and childless fall into the Ashley Judd category.

    There are plenty of traditional, intelligent conservative women who, thanks in part to the destruction of morality and standards in our society perpetuated by Judd’s heroes Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem, have been unable to find decent men with which to settle down, marry and have children. Don’t mean to come off as overly sensitive, but it bothered me a little that there’s an inference that if you’re a childless, unmarried woman you are necessarily a flaming, man-hating lefty like Ashley Judd.

    I know plenty of beautiful, intelligent conservative women who are still single into their 30s and 40s, not because they reject marriage but because it is difficult to find honorable men.

    That said, I share the disgust for Ashley Judd as a pro-life, pro-military, pro-Christian and pro-US Constitution female.

  15. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    March 9th, 2013 @ 12:13 pm

    Her penchant for getting naked in film should not be a hinderance or help for her candidacy. (NSFW) That is of course about the art! Please, she is an artist.

    What should be a hinderance to her campaign is that she is also Bat Shit Crazy. Don’t we have enough mentally ill represented in the Senate? Do we really need another? We have plenty of diversity represented in that regard.

  16. rosalie
    March 9th, 2013 @ 12:27 pm

    This woman makes fun of killing babies. She deserves what she gets.

  17. robertstacymccain
    March 9th, 2013 @ 1:08 pm

    Permit me to point out, Elaine, that Judd herself is an extremely active member of the feminist identity politics cult — e.g., “Vagina Monologues” — that seeks to make gynecological matters normally considered entirely private a matter of political discourse.
    OK, fine: Fling your ladyparts into the argument, if you want, but don’t think for a moment that it’s “unfair” for your antagonist to take up that argument (as it were) and use it to your disadvantage.
    If the references to Judd’s obstetric history are offensive, who was that took up the battle cry of feminism — “The Personal Is the Political!” — in the first place? Grant that polite people do not discuss such matters in public, but if this is the nature of her argument, I’ll not cede that ground as if Judd’s possession of a vagina gave her “complete moral authority.” (You may wish to Google that phrase vis-a-vis the post-9/11 debate, and particularly see how Ann Coulter answered it.)

  18. FenelonSpoke
    March 9th, 2013 @ 1:09 pm

    Well said, Elaine

  19. robertstacymccain
    March 9th, 2013 @ 1:17 pm

    Obviously, Daria, I know many women who have been afflicted by the “Man Shortage” and the general society-wide decline of marriage. This is distinct from (but not unrelated to) the specific situation of a rabidly pro-abortion woman like Judd, whose “politics” are a manifestation of profoundly personal psychological issues.

    As I’ve said before in other contexts, “crazy” is not an ideology. When you see a lunatic get up and start spewing quasi-political gibberish, it’s the craziness that should be the object of your response. It’s like Jared Lee Loughner: Did he say things of a political nature? Well, yes, but far more importantly, Loughner was a paranoid psychotic. Ashley Judd is somewhat less insane than Loughner, but it’s really just a matter of degree.

  20. elaine
    March 9th, 2013 @ 1:36 pm

    You’re not saying anything I don’t already know, Stacy. I get it; in your world she threw her vagina into the ring, that makes it fair game and all that. I’m calling bullshit on that assertion. The left used that excuse of “Palin is the one who brought her children on the campaign trail; therefore they’re fair game” to justify their attacks. They were wrong then, and you’re wrong now. Deal with it.

    As Daria said what’s unseemly — and it’s not just from you but your posters, as well — this self-congratulatory attitude that parents have that they’ve successfully reproduced. It doesn’t make anyone less conservative if they don’t have children.

    BTW, the phrase is “absolute moral authority,” and is a reference to Cindy Sheehan. Maybe you and Thomas D should google “condescension,” which, as it turns out, is a key component to misogyny. No, I don’t lightly throw that word around as Judd and her sister feminists do, but when I see it on the right, I’m sure as hell not going to hold my tongue.

  21. Adobe_Walls
    March 9th, 2013 @ 1:49 pm

    Continue to have at it. In this environment there are no cheap shots, only shots that score or do not though some are more or less inexpensive than others.

  22. ThomasD
    March 9th, 2013 @ 1:51 pm

    You do understand that game theory is applied to many aspects of life – pretty much anyplace there are competing interests?

    Your assertions regarding how false allegations become true are off base, unsupported, and ill advised.

    Ashley Judd may be a ‘woman’ but calling her out for all of her assorted non-sense and personal baggage is not remotely a war on women.

    That you are so eager to make it so says more about you than anything else.

  23. ThomasD
    March 9th, 2013 @ 1:55 pm

    Condescension? I treated your arguments as worthy of consideration, and offered an on point reply.

    You think that condescending? And imply misogyny?

    You are either a mendacious troll, or thin skinned and weak minded.

    Either way you are no longer worthy of consideration. Fuck off.

  24. Roxeanne de Luca
    March 9th, 2013 @ 1:56 pm

    As a pro-life, pro-military, pro-Christian, never married, barren wombed thirty something, I say, preach it, sister!

    May I also add that any child we may have will be burdened with crippling debt and be a wage slave for Obama’s profligacy? No, thank you.

    That said, I have little sympathy for Judd as she is judged for her looks. Her success was built on being young and sexy; now she wants to be old, puffy, and treated as if she were still young and sexy. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

  25. ThomasD
    March 9th, 2013 @ 1:59 pm

    She was great in Normal Life, but given the role I’m not sure she needed to ‘act; much..

  26. Quartermaster
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:08 pm

    Sorry, but she’s made herself mockable through her contemptible actions. Why should we deny ourselves the fun she has so thoughtfully provided? If that bothers you, fine. We’re still gonna do it and if that bothers you – too bad. If you think we can win elections when they lie about us and we can just sit back and be “civil” and win the fight, you are utterly deluded. Mocking them and holding them to ridicule is an effective weapon and they understand it. That’s why they whine like little babies when we do it. When they whine we need to up the pressure and fire for effect.

  27. Quartermaster
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:13 pm

    One thing I have observed is that many who self identify as conservative are not. Elaine has unmasked herself as a faux-conservative.

  28. ThomasD
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:16 pm

    I wouldn’t say there are no cheap shots.

    Based on the reports it appears her marriage is ending because of her husband’s desire for children, and her inability to conceive, That is most unfortunate for both of them, but as it directly involves him, it does seem a bit much to go after that point.

    Unlike Obama, and his kind, who would gladly go – and already have gone – to any lengths to have all of the divorce records made public.

    I would not be in favor of any such effort.

  29. Remember when Ashley Judd was hot, and not an annoying loud-mouthed Leftist? | The Daley Gator
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:18 pm

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  30. DaveO
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:22 pm

    I wonder how much McConnell is paying to act like she’s running against him. The thought of yet another vacuous Hollywooder pulling an Al Franken against a TEA Partier will send most Kentuckians to the pull the lever for McConnell.

  31. jakee308
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:30 pm

    If her face is so puffy, imagine what her FUPA looks like!

    YIKES!!

  32. robertstacymccain
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:34 pm

    Well, OK, certainly I do not say I’m above criticism, but I hope you don’t mind my saying that now I’m feeling a bit like the fellow in the Monty Python sketch who wandered into the Argument Clinic.

    Here I was, chortling in satisfaction that Puffy Face was actually going to get into the Kentucky Senate race, making an absolute spectacle of herself (and embarrassing the Democrat Party) in what was sure to be a most amusing catastrophe. And, in adding a bit of salt to her psychic wounds — which I meant as payback for her gross abortion attack on Santorum — I managed to offend people’s sense of propriety.

    This happens. Mea culpa. Not everyone shares my irreverent contempt for the Rules of True Things You’re Not Supposed to Say in Public, among them the fact that the glories of the Sexual Revolution include a horrible epidemic of infertility. There are a lot of middle-age women who are childless who are stung by the thought, “What if I hadn’t gotten that abortion when I was in college?”

    This is a fact, and not a fact that can be wished out of existence by pretending it is not so. It is also a fact that there there are a number of rationalizations which people use to cope with things that trouble them, and blunt talk about such troubling things tends to cause psychic discomfort. It is viewed as inconsiderate, therefore, to talk about the connection between abortion and infertility — a connection logical enough that one need not offer evidence, although such evidence exists in abundance — because that disturbs the millions of women who have to deal with these painful thoughts every day.

    All of this I know. And while I did not wish to violate the First Law of Holes by digging any further, I saw your comments and responded and now you reply with a vast number of new issues: Palin, and the accusations of a “self-congratulatory attitude,” and an unnecessary defense of the idea that childless people can be conservative — the defense being unneccessary, I say, because no one said otherwise.

    So, what are we arguing about? If your point is that sometimes I write offensive things, there is no argument. I plead guilty.

    But it doesn’t seem that you are content with this concession, and I fear that you have just chosen me as Enemy of the Day, which status you are quite willing to make permanent if I dare defend myself further.

    This calls to mind the definition of “misogynist” as any man who disagrees with a feminist.

  33. jakee308
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:39 pm

    Sorry, any woman moaning about the lack of “Decent or Honorable Men” has a list of requirements that no human being could possibly fill and at a certain age (after living by oneself for so long) one’s willingness to let certain habits slide is a lot less than it is when your hormones are raging.

    I’m guilty of this myself and have reached an accommodation with the fact that I will likely never be partnered up with anyone before my demise. So be it but I recognize that my loss (if it is one) is partly my own fault and I don’t go bemoaning the lack of “Decent or Honorable women” as the reason for my situation.

    It’s much better to admit ones foibles then to make excuses and lay the blame for the result off on unnamed and unknown persons.

    Plus with the way divorce law is applied today, tell me what my advantage would be in gambling what little I have in the last years of my life in hopes of attaining some mythical bond?

    The odds are against me and it’s been my major argument against actively seeking that bond.

  34. SDN
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:44 pm

    Concerned trollette is concerned.

    And sorry, women just like Ashley (and you) have made their wombs and what they do with them front and center. I’ll believe that spiel when you support giving men the exact option to opt out of fatherhood that abortion gives you and your ilk with regard to motherhood.

  35. Daria DiGiovanni
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:53 pm

    Wow, so you’re saying you know me personally? That I have a list of “impossible standards”? Nice way to paint an entire group of people with the same brush. But let me say, if the standards are basic respect, living up to one’s word, telling the truth, being upfront and honest then yes, I’ll gladly keep my “impossible” standards and live my life without a husband. I’ll also keep my love of the US Constitution since the two are not mutually exclusive.

    I guess we’ll just have to agree on the Ashley Judd is a flaming, militant feminazi who has no business running for Senate, especially in the state of Kentucky, part of the argument.

  36. Daria DiGiovanni
    March 9th, 2013 @ 2:55 pm

    Thanks Roxeanne…and excellent point about the crippling debt! Also agree about Ashley — she had no problems taking her clothes off willingly for the alleged “patriarchy” to make money and help her career. Now that she’s past her prime, she hates the fact that we don’t stay young and hot forever. Well, too damn bad Ashley, you can’t have it both ways.

  37. rustypaladin
    March 9th, 2013 @ 3:13 pm

    I’m actually more worried that she’d become some sort of bizarre martyr as in “Look at how the Republican Patriarchy mocks this poor, innocent woman.” Frankly, she’s a worse candidate in KY than Alvin Greene was in SC. He had less baggage. I also realize my argument is of the same sort that ended Desert Storm too soon and brought us OIF.

  38. rustypaladin
    March 9th, 2013 @ 3:19 pm

    Thinking about this I need to ask why the Democrats of Kentucky are running her? Unless they have pictures of Mitch McConnell with a sheep she’s not going to win. Actually, I’m not sure that would do it either. Her comments on coal alone have written off the entire western half of the State. Who benefits by her running?

  39. sheryl
    March 9th, 2013 @ 3:33 pm

    Oh hell, let Sarah Palin run in that race too! Would be great to watch Palin discredit Judds environMENTAL views.

  40. RichFader
    March 9th, 2013 @ 4:02 pm

    Comparing coal mining to rape? In Kentucky?

    This will end well.

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  42. Adobe_Walls
    March 9th, 2013 @ 4:44 pm

    It might be unfortunate if the breakup weren’t happening to a proggie. There is no misfortune too “good” for them.

  43. Adjoran
    March 9th, 2013 @ 5:34 pm

    When someone publicizes the details of their personal life, don’t they in the process forfeit the right to cry “privacy!” when those details are discussed, criticized, or mocked?

    You can’t have it both ways, putting out personal information to gain sympathy but protesting when it is used against you.

  44. Adjoran
    March 9th, 2013 @ 5:35 pm

    Personally, I suspect her whole rant about her puffy face was intended to distract attention from her big fat ass.

  45. Adjoran
    March 9th, 2013 @ 5:40 pm

    So all of Judd’s statements, and her publicists’ statements, about her personal life are off limits, inappropriate to mock because . . . she is a female and some of the mockers are men?

    No sale.

  46. Dai Alanye
    March 9th, 2013 @ 6:37 pm

    Really, folks! There is only one question of importance with regard to Judd’s campaign. Will she or will she not, while on the stump, choose to wear clothes?

    Then again, perhaps two questions. Presuming she wears clothing, will anyone pay attention?

  47. PatrickC
    March 9th, 2013 @ 6:47 pm

    Your comments are to the point, but irrelevant.

    The legacy media – that wholly-owned branch of the Democrat party – will make of this what they will, and the low-information voters will lap it up.

  48. BeaversBrother
    March 10th, 2013 @ 1:37 am

    Puffy doesn’t stand a chance.

  49. Silver Whistle
    March 10th, 2013 @ 6:07 am

    Will she or will she not, while on the stump, choose to wear clothes?

    Only if the plot absolutely demands it.

  50. jsn2
    March 10th, 2013 @ 7:41 am

    Wow. Now I understand why McCain wrote “Cleanup on Aisle 9”. If I use the word hysteria does that make me a mysoginist?
    I could say that your using the mysogyny card makes you a misandrist, but I won’t. I think you’ve confused fisticuffs with verbal sparring. In verbal sparring men are allowed to respond in kind and after all isn’t politics all about doing it through debate instead of through physical combat? It’s not ideal, but proper ettiquite and manners don’t win political disagreements.