A Balm For Conservatives In Trumpreich

Posted on Comments

by Smitty

Given time constraints and general bewilderment at the Democrat takeover of the GOP, there just hasn’t been much to say. Hopefully Darleen will get Friday Fiction going again. On Twitter, it’s been an endless parade of horribles if I don’t join the Trumpenproletariat. Fortunately, the indispensable Jonah Goldberg offers a fine read to help with the can’t-get-motivated-to-vote-for-a-Democrat blues. Read the whole thing, including the blowback against the mighty James Taranto:

I may not be the philologist James is, but I do grok that Perry was speaking metaphorically when he said Trump was a cancer and leading us to Hell. But speaking figuratively and speaking seriously are not antipodes. One can use metaphors and still speak with sincerity. When Jesus said, “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved,” he was speaking metaphorically but not insincerely. I made the mistake of thinking Rick Perry was serious when he said these things. Perhaps Taranto’s the wiser man for cynically believing words never matter when uttered by politicians.

I guess I should thank Johnny B. Cryin’ and Mike Pence. The Duhnamic Duo, just ahead of the Indiana primary, broke whatever weak geas had me thinking that one should default to supporting the GOP nominee. The mask is off. I joke about our “1.1-party system. That “1.1” is like a stencil for an international gesture, pointed downward. For the last decade, the Vichy GOP has struggled between craving the bigger offices in DC afforded the majority party, and utter disgust for the Bitter Cling-On conservative base that would deliver that majority.
It’s sort of a Glorious Progressive Revolution, the way that conservatives have been thrown under the bus, in favor of Donald of Orange. (Donald is the extroverted sociopath from New York, controlled by the Tribble on his head. Donald is not to be confused with the introverted sociopath from New York holding the remote for the Tribble.) About the only shoe left to drop is the nominating convention. I’ll hold off joining the Libertarian party until I hear what Ted Cruz has to say. As the leading conservative remaining in the Republocrat Party, and a genius of Jonah Goldberg’s caliber, Ted is about the only person imaginable who could argue me into any GOP support. Promises to be some fine rhetoric. My guess is that he’ll come real, real close to returning Pence’s carefully calibrated flaccid support for a Trump/Busey ticket.

211 comments

  1. I identify with the Tea Party, Trumpbot. I’m the one that has been telling the idiot leftist trolls that use that term that they hate gay people, since that term originated in the gay community and so leftists using it to denigrate conservatives are also denigrating gay people.

    Go look at my posting history if you don’t believe me. Like usual, you’re 180 degrees off from the truth.

  3. Is that the best you can do, Trumpbot? I’ve gotten better insults from leftists with a room temperature IQ.

  4. You are a liar and a fool. Go away and hang out with your Alex Jones anti-Semite buddies.

  5. Gee, I think the opinion here is running against you. Who here has the upvotes and who doesn’t?

  6. As far as you’re concerned….

    That statement is as stupid as it is obtuse. In the Christian view a Jew is headed for hell. So I guess that all Christians are anti-semites. No, you don’t throw the term around lightly, you just do it stupidly.

    Hagee holds with “two covenants” which is biblical untenable. That Hagee doesn’t support the thrust of Bickle’s ministry is, consequently, irrelevant.

    Trump slung fecal mater in every direction prior to anyone else. Trump’s past is questionable from a conservative point of view, he’s also been on every side of of almost any issue you can name. Legitimate criticism isn’t manure, yet that’s how Trump has treated it.

    I’m glad that my post can be held up as an example for your lies. Trump supporters, even here, have been less than polite. There is a reason I took up the denigrating term “Trumpanzee.” They earned it by their indiscriminate flinging of fecal matter. While a few Trump supporters have been decent, the overwhelming majority I have encountered haven’t been worth the price of a bullet.

    I doubt you will have much appreciation of the Trump product. No one, not even his supporters, have an inkling of idea where he stands on anything.

  7. Let’s correct that slightly. In YOUR view of what ALL Christians believe, all Jews are headed for Hell. I see why you don’t believe Bickle is an anti-semite.

    Scripture says something very different, which is exactly why so many Evangelicals are philosemites.

    This conversation is a waste of time for both of us, but especially for me.

    Your remarks are beneath contempt.

  8. Really? The TP were polite, rational people. The RINOs and the McCainiacs OTOH attacked Conservatives with a mad frenzy.

    And you worry about denigrating gays, so I’m going to say Moderate aka RINO aka get out of my party.

    And if I am off, shrug. You’ve shown little regard for facts so why should I?

  10. I’m a conservative. I’m not that good at going with completely bonkers insults. I’m learning tho’.

  11. Trump doesn’t take bribes – he pays them. He donated $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. He is just as corrupt as his good friends the Clintons.

  13. There are lots of Tea Partiers. Some of them, like me, are pissed off that a sleazy con man like Trump has managed to fool enough people to take over the GOP. You can say whatever the fuck you want about me, jackass, you’ll still be pathetic and wrong. You and your Orange Totalitarian don’t even know what facts are, so go fuck yourself.

  14. “my room mate Lori Is getting paid on the internet $98/hr”…..!te499urtwo days ago grey MacLaren. P1 I bought after earning 18,512 Dollars..it was my previous month’s payout..just a little over.17k Dollars Last month..3-5 hours job a day…with weekly payouts..it’s realy the simplest. job I have ever Do.. I Joined This 7 months. ago. and now making over hourly. 87 Dollars…Learn. More right Here !te499u:?:?:.?.?.?.? http://GlobalSuperJobsReportsEmploymentsCoachGetPay-Hour$98…. .????????????????????????????????????????????????????::::::!te499u….,.

  15. Personally I’d find it more enjoyable to accept a bribe than be coerced into paying one.

    To each his own, of course, but I consider your argument badly reasoned.

  16. Your question is a bit like asking whether a person would rather be threatened by a con agent or a mugger. Only the deliberately naive would have trouble deciding.

    Besides, Trump can be (and is being) sued himself. It’s not as easy to deal with Hillary’s extra-legal assaults backed by the liberal media. Ask some of Bill’s victims, perhaps Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Willey to start with.

  17. If you find it acceptable to give OR take a bribe, you are as corrupt as the two candidates.

  18. If you are unable to discriminate between that which is wrong and that which is evil you’re simply a fool… or deliberately being dishonest.

  19. Damage, etc…
    Quite possibly. You would think people aware of history would take electability more seriously.

    P.S. The “bruises” won’t fade because they aren’t merely hurt feelings, they are violated principles. It’s like asking us to nominate someone “after the murder charges fade away.”
    Some things don’t go away.

  21. Too bad for you. There are a lot of Christians that claim to be, yet are not Christians. Citing Hagee who holds with a heresy might make you comfortable, but the Bible says something far, far different than Hagee, or you, think.

    Outside of Christ, there is no salvation. That was, succinctly, what two “Jews” said – Peter and Paul. Good to know that Christ is beneath your contempt.

  22. Can’t win so he wants to declare victory, and have me leave so he can propagandize in peace.

  24. William Weld, Tarian VP, had the silliness to say kicking out by deportation illegal immigrants was like Kristalnacht.

    Given, the NeverTrumpers penchant for emoting and saying ridiculous things, they should agree with this. Donald Trump is just like Hitler.

    Thus they lose. Godwin’s Law.

    But then they already lost to Trump.

    Libertarians are like teenagers. They want cheap certainties. Nuance, complexity, and the often deceptive reality of human nature need not apply to the small, little, uncluttered box in their minds where their platitudinous thoughts are formed.

    But, at least Tarians have principles. We have another group of NeverTrumpers, ‘country club Republicans’ as Jerry Pournelle called them. And if you don’t know him, get thee to a library, and remedy your ignorance of American culture.

    The RINOS, or CCR’s, or Rockefeller Republicans, believe in ‘its good to be the king’. And they fight like mad to keep their gravy train going. They’re the ones who perfected the art of unloading on a Southron just because. John McCain, ‘reacher across the aisle’ is one, and he called Rush a ‘clown’. This whole, vicious, deliberate head in the sand, we want to attack like mad, but if you can stand up to us….please go away, was their thing.

    Most of the rest of the NeverTrumpers are in these two categories. Sore losers tend to get over it after a while, particularly when the winners show courtesy.

    For most of these sorts, the only real argument likely to sway them is: We don’t need you. and we don’t care.

    We’ve been nice to you because that’s our nature to try to be kind. You’ve taken advantage of our good nature, and that’s on us. I shouldn’t expect a RINO to be swayed by sweet reason anymore than I expect a real rhino which is a notoriously ill-tempered and short sighted beast.

    I’d like people to get along, but we can win this election against the weakest candidate the Dems have fielded in my lifetime without you.

  25. If he can win it without us, why not quit your whining and go away? There are good reasons why people like me can’t pull the lever for an immoral opportunist like Trump. Whining and bad mouthing will not get you any recruits. If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t be here in the first place.

  27. The question facing us isn’t merely your hurt pride but the fate of the nation, and you are deliberately making the wrong choice.

    If you’re unwilling to choose between bad and worse we have nothing to debate about.

  28. I am a conservative and I have no representation in this race. If you think that means I owe you my vote, then you’re crazy.

  29. QM, he probably can win without ya’ll. Its not like John McCain’s candidacy when the McCainiacs were desperate to get the Base on board. Given Trump’s crossover appeal, his big man appeal to Blacks and Hispanics, and the really terrible opposition, the NeverTrumpers plausibly mean the difference between a really Yuuge landslide and a pretty Yuuge landslide.

    Some of its that its so appalling to see fellow conservatives embrace such grotesque misrepresentations of reality.

    And I’ve been a member of the Band of Others for longer than Ilike to think.

    Some of its pride. I’ve been insulted by loudmouth idiots repeatedly. People who should be embarrassed of themselves, but aren’t. Clearly pointing out the actual facts of the situation brings considerable relief.

    QM, reread my post. I did not say I did not care. I said the only argument likely to sway many of these folk is “IDC”. You see the Vichy GOP kissing up to Trump now? Were they brought aboard by sweet reason from their previous hatred of Trump?

    Surely, I jest.

    Some people the only ‘argument’ they understand is a mailed fist. Power.

    You’re free to vote however you like. But, while a vote for Johnson is not a vote for Hillary, it is a help to Hillary. Your lot needs to man up, and face that. I do about my vote for Virgil Goode rather than Mitt Romney.

    Its your choice to make, but you can’t choose just one consequence of your one choice. Which should be obvious.

    And, it is to laugh, that sweet reason would convince anyone here. They wanted to emote and have a pity party, and scream nasty insults at those who dissapointed them.

    The truth has a value of its own. G’day.

  30. In other words, like every other bloody Trumpbot out there, your mind is made up and you refuse to be confused by facts, so you make up a lame excuse.

  31. The GOP has already lost when it nominated a New York liberal Democrat. You’re just a loser.

  33. I’m a conservative who, when I can’t get my heart’s desire, won’t deliberately make a bad choice out of misplaced spite

    You must decide what’s most important—joining the RINO establishment in defeating Trump or joining with patriots to defeat Hillary.

  35. What you and others offer is not sweet reason, it’s simply another form of temporizing. My position has little to do with such things. I didn’t vote, twice, for Dubya because I knew what he was as Texas Governor, a leftist. Trump is no better, and if one pays attention to everything he says, there is no way to know what he actually stands for.
    If voting Trump is what you call “manning up,” I ain’t gonna “man up.” There’s nothing to “man up” for.

  36. The GOP, dominated by the RINO establishment, is a loser party. We’re trying to change things up.

    And yes, I know, you’ll come up with some lame comeback like ‘but you failed’ or ‘your shoelaces are tied’ but your side, which is probably the RINO side, lost.

  37. Your talking points are old and stale. The RINOs are all jumping aboard the Trump bandwagon, Lindsey Graham being the most recent.

    You can have them.

  38. Let me deal in reverse order with your two points.

    1. Manning up. Read. Read!

    Face that your choice to vote for say Johnson because you dislike Trump does help Hillary. You cannot choose just one consequence. Manning up is being honest.

    “I’m not voting for Trump because of XY and Z, nor for Hillary, but I realize that this does help Hillary. But it is a cost I am willing to bear.”

    2. Take your arguement that we can’t know what Trump will do. We know what Hillary will do….it will be a disaster.

    Trump may be good, indeed, very good.

    One door has a tiger behind it. The other is unknown. And choosing neither makes it more likely that the tiger will rip the door open and eat you.

    So, by your own arguement, you should vote Trump.

    2.

  40. You wouldn’t recognize a rational argument if it did a tapdance on your empty pointy head.

  42. Take your temporizing and put it where the sun don’t shine. Both doors have Tigers behind them.

  43. You said that based on Trump’s words you don’t know what he will do. Now you do know.

    Which is it?
    =================
    And since you’ve stopped temporizing, I expect you’re marching on Washington with a rifle as we speak?

  44. I think I shall leave you and the rest of the sad crowd. I like a little cruelty, but this is just too much.

    I don’t particularly like seeing grown men turn into raving lunatics. Its one reason I don’t play Empires in Arms.

    Best of fortune, ya’ll.

  47. You Trumpbots got Hillary elected by nominating the one candidate she can beat. Great job, bozos. I can understand why you’re trying to blame everyone else– I probably would try, too, if I’d screwed up that badly to lose the most winnable Presidential election in the last 30 years.

  49. Trump is a Reactionary, not a Conservative. Or more correctly, Trump represents the voice of Reaction (or Neo-Reaction), since I think that 75% of what he says is schtick that he will not follow through on. Conservatives are desperately clinging to something that has already been destroyed.

Comments are closed.