Sunday Morning Coming Down in New Hampshire ‘Meet the Depressed’ Debate

HOLLIS, N.H.
After my late night guzzling beer consulting with key sources at the Radisson Hotel bar last night, I slept in this morning at the home of Mike Rogers of Granite Grok, missing the “Meet the Press” debate. Mike’s got it TiVo’d for my later examination, but initial accounts indicate it was far more feisty than the ABC debate. Aaron Goldstein of The American Spectator:

Finally!!! Rick Santorum puts it point blank to Romney. If your record in Massachusetts was so great why didn’t you run for re-election? Why did you bail out? Santorum went to say that while Romney bailed, he was running on conservative principles and running in a state bluer than Massachusetts.

Goldstein also notes that Romney and Santorum were equally competent in handling the (evidently obligatory) gay “gotcha” question on NBC this morning. What explains the media’s obsession with gays? And why, to repeat a persistent question, are Republicans letting the Left moderate their debates? Does anyone remember the 2008 Democratic debate moderated by Michelle Malkin, Byron York and Michael Barone?

Amy Walter of ABC News offers explanations of why Saturday night’s debate lacked “fireworks,” but none of her explanations mention the incompetence or bias of the moderators.

UPDATE: In celebrating the Sunday-morning Romney-bashing, Philip Klein expresses a gloomy view of the race:

Had this all happened in September, we [might] be looking at a race where Perry had just won Iowa and was well ahead in South Carolina, while Huntsman was nipping at Romney in New Hampshire. But this isn’t September.
Instead, over the past several months, rivals hardly laid a glove on Romney. Perry had one disastrous debate performance after another and dropped like a rock in the polls. After a succession of candidates rose and fell, eventually Rick Santorum emerged as the leading conservative alternative to Romney. And Huntsman, boring and obnoxious in debates, never took off in New Hampshire. So what we’re left with is a situation in which Romney is so far ahead in his quest for the GOP nomination, that barring a major catastrophe, he’s unlikely to lose. In football terms, he’s in the prevent defense — able to surrender lots of yardage to his opponents in the middle of the field and still win as long as he doesn’t turnover the ball.

Being optimistic about the GOP requires enormous effort, but I will make the effort to disagree with Klein’s assessment.

It wouldn’t necessarily take a “major catastrophe” to derail Romney. If he gets less than 40% here in New Hampshire, that would reinforce doubts about The Man From Bain. This would be especially true if, despite the conventional wisdom about the Granite State’s putative hostility to social conservatives, Santorum overperforms to finish third or better Tuesday.

The rosy scenario would be that both of these things happen: If we’re sitting here Tuesday night looking at Mitt around 38%, while it’s “too close to call” for second place between Ron Paul and Rick Santorum in the vicinity of 18%, that could engender an important shift in perceptions. Romney would look weak going into South Carolina, and Santorum would continue to signal his momentum as the emerging “Not Mitt” conservative choice.

Oh, and bye-bye, Jon Huntsman, who I doubt will finish better than fifth in New Hampshire, the basket that holds all his eggs.

Santorum made a day-trip to South Carolina to campaign today. A pro-Santorum “super-PAC” is already advertising there.

UPDATE II: Jazz Shaw didn’t enjoy the NBC debate:

The Sunday morning event, hosted by NBC and Facebook, started off as nothing short of a disaster. The lead moderator, David Gregory, spent the opening segment doing nothing but firing off political talking points and trying to get the candidates to snipe at each other. Those of us following on Twitter noted that it was literally fifteen minutes into the debate before the first question on policy was asked, and even then it was only after Ron Paul chided Gregory over the unsubstantial nature of the topics.

When we were walking into the Radisson in Manchester last night, Gregory was leaving and — while I admit this may be my own prejudice talking — the dude seems to exude arrogance. Out on the campaign trail, most Big Name TV News Personalities try very hard not to act like they’re better than the rest of us. For example, Carl Cameron of Fox is very approachable and gregarious, and likewise Michael Barone is always happy to talk politics with anyone. But I can’t seem to remember ever seeing David Gregory just “hanging out” in the press gaggle.


POST-DEBATE SPIN ROOM

MANCHESTER, N.H.
The Triumphant Victory of Rick Santorum™ was not acknowledged here at RINOCon — as I’ve dubbed the National Review Romney GroupHugFest — and that’s OK. We don’t expect these elite snobs to recognize such things.

Think about this: Santorum is the hot new “Not Romney” candidate and yet he was not attacked during the debate, except by Ron Paul. I expected Rick Perry to attack Santorum, and he didn’t. So I think not losing was a victory. But here at RINOCon — where the NR guys have gone totally squish — the failure to win was counted as a defeat.

Hey, I’ve seen the surge. Exactly how far that surge can go, I don’t know. But for the NR guys to declare pre-emptively that it is futile, and that we must therefore all cheerfully roll over for Romney, strikes me as the opposite of wisdom and the opposite of courage.

But that’s just me, and I’m feeling kind of cranky tonight. What the hell was this, the Big Gay Debate starring “Phil from Virginia”? Why are we letting George and Diane moderate a Republican debate? How drunk was Diane Sawyer tonight, huh?

Anyway, Donald Douglas at American Power has video and links. More at Fire Andrea Mitchell. Go ahead and add your opinion in the comments.

 

ABC NEW HAMPSHIRE DEBATE

22:40 EST Perry: if not here, I’d be at a shooting range.
Newt, Rick, Mitt: watching football.
Paul: I’d put the family to bed and study an economic textbook.
Huntsman: talking to my two sons in the Navy.
Thus far:
The two Texans are not looking strong. Huntsman looks comfortable, but Mitt, Newt, and Santorum are doing well. I think Mitt has worked the hardest to combat perceptions about his candidacy.
22:35 EST Huntsman: oh sure, Mitt, start a trade war. Brilliant!
22:33 EST Mitt: oh Huntsman, dear, you were BHO’s little messenger boy for a couple years. I fear I shall have to offer to introduce you to my boom stick.
22:31 EST Huntsman: I know how to make trade work.
22:30 EST Mitt: I am not a DC insider. If you make that accusation again, I will use my boom stick.
22:28 EST Santorum: I declare war on class warfare. My arithmetic operator is multiplication, not division. I will appeal to blue collar workers, but don’t call that classifying them.
22:26 EST Newt: I’m sure that BHO is a sincere Commie. But the WSJ called Mitt’s plans ‘timid’.
22:25 EST Mitt: I’m a soul man. Dada duh da dadada. . .
22:24 EST Huntsman: I did something really weird and talked to an actual taxpayer. Frickin’ mindblowing. He wanted to manufacture something.
22:22 EST Perry: develop energy.
22:20 EST Paul: I am here to restore principles such as freedom. These people don’t understand economics. Cut spending. Do not be Japan. Understand the business cycle.
22:19 EST Mitt: I, too, have a flood of details.
22:17 EST Santorum: cut taxes.
22:16 EST Huntsman: to pay for infrastructure, reform the tax code. Simpson-Bowles would be accepted.
22:15 EST Newt: infrastructure should be shiny and new. Work on energy to pay down our debt and rebuild infrastructure.
22:13 EST Mitt: capitalism, not stimulus, is what we need to rebuild our infrastructure.
The story so far:
Perry and Huntsman are being ignored, Ron Paul hasn’t looked great, Mitt has stayed above the fray, attacking Stephanopoulis, Newt and Santorum have been solid.
Bonus points for Newt for the anti-Christian bigotry charge against the media. God have mercy upon the souls of these media ghouls. These Postmodern anti-Christs hate anyone who posits a Truth, unless Muslim.
22:04 EST Santorum: Paul, your policies would preclude having a Navy to rescue Iranian fishermen from pirates.
22:03 EST Paul: I think that actually declaring war would be a refreshing change.
22:02 EST Sawyer: can you prophesy exactly when you will deploy troops?
Newt: I don’t practice Santeria, I ain’t got no crystal ball.
22:01 EST Perry: I think we consult with the Iraq and consider re-deployment, before Iran moves back into Iraq not at a double time, not at the speed of sound, but Light Speed, gentlemen.
21:58 EST Santorum: as a result of Obama, we’ve been through the desert on a horse with no name. The commander-in-chief has got to step up to the plate.
21:57 EST Newt: let’s nuke the question, and look at the theater-wide problem from Libya to Pakistan. Let me pull a brand-Newt strategy from an undisclosed location.
21:56 EST Huntsman: dunno, the ‘Stan could end up a civil war.
21:56 EST Mitt: watch me gymnastically assume all positions on this issue.
21:54 EST Huntsman: the 90k troops left in the ‘Stan; sure, let’s draw down and leave some snake eaters.
21:53 EST Perry: I must now pile on the gay marriage issue. Fear my facts.
21:51 EST Ron Paul, are you going to be a third party spoiler?
Paul: I’m going to keep on twisting the knife, to drive my issues. You know, the overspending.
21:43 EST Diane Sawyer’s brain cell is overwhelmed to consider the Constitution. Can’t we think about gay marriage instead of that ancient, unintelligible document? Twice-divorced Newt, what say you?
Newt: I’ve got 5,000 words in my head.
Huntsman: civil unions are fair, but protect marriage.
Santorum, can you support gay adoption?
Santorum: marriage is a federal level issue.
Mitt, if you had a couple of homosexuals in your living room, would you kick them?
Mitt: I’m still protecting the symbol ‘marriage’.
Newt: hey, the bigotry is bi-directional, and the anti-Christian bigotry goes unreported. BRAVO!
21:42 EST Mitt wrecked Stephanopoulis on the birth control question. Paul makes the 4th Amendment case and hammers the Patriot Act.
21:40 EST Mitt: I must play the Newt card and accuse the banning of contraception to be a stupid question. I am not a Constitutionalist, but I stand next to one on stage (looks to Ron).
Summary thus far:

  • Ron Paul is going after Newt and Santorum, and mostly adding to his kook rating.
  • Santorum has acquitted himself well, as has Newt. Santorum’s riff on Paul’s microphone is the line of the night.
  • Perry played the outsider card.
  • Huntsman sounds polished.
  • Mitt is most interesting, trying to walk back the notion that the fix is in.

It’s fairly scrappy.

21:30 EST Paul: the real raaaaacism is in the judicial system, and drug laws, as well as military service.
21:27 EST Would Ron Paul double down on calling Newt a chickenhawk? Paul: sure, any of these non-serving chickenhawks are a pack of hawkish chickens. And the Constitution is being sadly ignored.
21:26 EST Chickenhawk Newt: I am not a chickenhawk. I am an Army brat, and I know what the military is about.
21:25 EST Perry: yeah, having served gives me an edge. ASIDE: Governors make precisely 0 decisions about federalized and deployed troops.
21:23 EST Romney: I must halt the knife fight and return the focus to #OccupyResoluteDesk. See me rise above the fray! ‘I will endorse our nominee’–Mitt admits he may not be it? Wow.
21:21 EST Huntsman: I got more vision than Lens Crafters, muffers. I will bring the CINC, the President, and the trust. Gimme.
21:20 EST Mitt Romney thought bubble: the Paul/Santorum sandwich is possibly the most uncomfortable position of my life.
21:18 EST Perry: that was 18 minutes of the problem, which you just heard: INSIDERS. With the exception of Huntsman, I’m the outsider here.
21:16 EST Paul: yeah, I voted for appropriations, but not not the spending.
21:16 EST Santorum: I stayed involved in causes like health care and coal that I care about.
21:15 EST Ron, you’ve got a vicious attack ad against Santorum. Can you defend it?
Ron: not with this microphone.
Santorum: well, it detects lying. But the Soros-funded CREW sues conservatives like Stacy McCain and DaTechGuy wear fedoras.
21:11 EST Would Governor Huntsman defend Mitt’s record at Bain? Is it a fair topic? Jon: yeah, we put Utah at #1 on the Billboard charts, so Rick and Mitt can bite my big 10′ record of a band that plays the blues.
21:09 EST Mitt: this is free enterprise. Oh, and don’t forget the Olympics.
21:08 EST Mitt: yeah, we had to get out the pliers and the blowtorch. But Zed’s dead, baby: Zed’s dead.
21:07 EST Newt, will you defend the NYT attack piece on Bain? Newt, nah, let Mitt do that.
21:06 EST Newt, your attack dogs brought the pain to Bain. Do you know these dogs?
21:05 EST Romney responds that people who have spent time in Washington don’t know the economy. Like that Santorum dude to my left.
21:04 EST Rick Santorum, do we need CEO Romney? Why, no: we need leadership. Was I attacking Mitt with the managerial riff? Why yes: yes, I was.
21:03 EST Mitt takes question #1 on jobs. Can he ooze some optimism? Yes, but he can use ‘tepid’ to describe the effects of Obamanomics. Roosters did not cause the sunrise.
21:02 EST Diane Sawyer reads the candidates the riot act, plus a color lesson. We am smart.
21:00 EST Introductory reel. They have successfully lowered our politics to the level of the WWF.
20:58 EST This obstacle course on Wipeout is great. I’m afraid I don’t recognize the candidate, but Newt is in trouble when it’s his turn.
PREVIOUSLY. . .


MANCHESTER, N.H.
Once again, it’s time for the Republican candidates to debate. Alas, Michele Bachmann is gone, and Jon Huntsman is here. To his lovely daughters, I say: I’m glad your Dad is going to lose, but it was a pleasure to meet you.

Some pre-debate headlines:

Rick Santorum to get
Gary Bauer endorsement Sunday

— Washington Post

NBC/Marist Poll: Romney has 20-point lead
in N.H.; Santorum gets Iowa bounce

— MSNBC

I’m going to be watching the debate here at the Radisson Hotel at a National Review event, where everyone seems to feel obligated to buy me beers. Expect increasingly incoherent updates.

UPDATE: My loyal sidekick Smitty has agreed to handle liveblogging duties, which will enable to collect all these free beers.

FMJRA 2.0: Bikelock Trident

— compiled by Wombat-socho


IOWA CAUCUS RESULTS HQ
UPDATE: Santorum Surge in Precinct Numbers Exceeds Poll Projections

Bachmann Quits 2012 Campaign

Remember the Crying Girl?

Pre-Caucus Night Nap Time

Greetings From the Granite State!

Don’t Underestimate Rick Santorum’s Campaign Strength in New Hampshire

More Of This, Less Of Its Cause

Rick Santorum in Concord, N.H.

You Can View The Uncertainty With Trepidation, Or As An Opportunity

Perry Campaign’s Amateur Hour

The Instapundit Likes To Juxtapose

Michele Bachmann Flyer Omits Comparison to Records of Santorum, Paul

‘Occupy’ Protesters at Bachmann HQ: Proof That Gardasil Causes Retardation?

‘Get Crazy With The Cheese Whiz’

Rather Harsh, But Hard To Counter

SANTORUM SURGE SUNDAY: Final Poll Makes Front-Page News in Des Moines

FMJRA 2.0: Cry Tough

Rick Santorum Talks Steelers Football

That There’s Some Snark

LIVE AT FIVE – 01.02.12

The Familiar Pattern Emerges Again

Ron Paul Is Out To Flog Mitt Romney With The Hillary Stick

Santorum Attacked in Iowa With Same Smear Used Earlier Against Gingrich

You Can’t Outlaw Beclownment

Media Scrum Is Heavy At Santorum Event

After #Occupy Reaches The Full Zombie Apocalypse Phase, Remember This Clip

Rule 5 Monday: Apocalypse Edition

Santorum, Duggars, And Fundraising As The Deadline Looms

LIVE AT FIVE – 01.03.12

Desperate Hours in the Hawkeye State

LIVE AT FIVE – 01.04.12

News Of Rick Santorum’s Iowa Triumph Reaches A Certain Bunker. . .

Iowa Victory Lap

Open Letter To Senators Warner & Webb

Memo From the National Affairs Desk: Eight Days in a Mustang Later …

LIVE AT FIVE – 01.05.12

Couldn’t Agree Less With Podhoretz

Rick Santorum in Windham, N.H.

Crowder’s 11 Scandals In 2011

President Obama Had Better Do Well In The Other 56 States

LIVE AT FIVE – 01.06.12

Newt Meets the Media in Nashua

Dan Riehl Joins The Downfall Parody Club With A Nice Outing

Two Excellent Arguments in Favor of a Jon Huntsman Presidency

Rick Santorum Speech In Nashua:”New Hampshire, Send A Message”

Top linkers for this week:

  1. Da Tech Guy (15)
  2. Don Surber (10)
  3. (tie) Daily Pundit and Nice Deb (8)
  4. The Camp Of The Saints (7)
  5. The Conservatory (6)
  6. (tied) Fishersville Mike, Katy Pundit, Maggie’s Notebook and That Mr. G Guy (5)

Thanks to everyone for their linkagery! Deadline for mailing in your links for next week’s FMJRA is Friday, January 13.

Santorum Surge Hits Hollis, N.H. UPDATE: Photos, Videos Added

HOLLIS, N.H.
Set up in the Dunkin’ Donuts here at the intersection of Ash and Main Street, having just left anevent for Rick Santorum at the historic Lawrence Barn that was filled beyond capacity.

The first question Santorum got in an informal press conference outside the barn was about his “electability,” which he defended staunchly. I must urge everyone trying to predict the outcome in New Hampshire to put no stock in polls. There are still many undecided voters here and much of Mitt Romney’s support is “soft.”

Depending on how things go in the two debates — tonight on ABC and Sunday morning on  “Meet the Press” — the Santorum surge could once against surprise everyone, as it did in Iowa, where he outperformed the final Des Moines Register final poll by 10 points.

I have photos and video and am now awaiting sufficient bandwidth for uploading. Bandwidth is a scarce commodity out here in the country.

In a few minutes, Santorum will appear at the Hollis Pharmacy and General Store, a traditional campaign stop for presidential candidates in New Hampshire. Mike Rogers of Granite Grok and I were the first members of the media to arrive there, and were greeted by owner Vahrij Manoukian, who promptly told us to park next door, as he wishes to leave space for the candidate’s entourage.

UPDATE: As I was sitting here, a woman walked in and said, “I know you! I’m ConservaGirl.”

UPDATE II: With his superior technological capacities, Mike has already got up an extensive photo post at Granite Grok about the Santorum barn event.

UPDATE III: Look at the crowd behind Santorum at the Hollis Pharmacy. Anyone who underestimates the surge does so at their peril:

At the Lawrence Barn event, Mara Liasson of NPR interviews a New Hampshirite in a purple hat:

UPDATE IV: Kaley, the barrista at Dunkin’ Donuts, is all about Ron Paul. Note the facial piercing. Just sayin’ …

A lot of reporters on the campaign trail spend their time interviewing “typical voter” types at every stop along the campaign trail:

Here we see a foreign news crew interviewing a Santorum supporter who, as it turned out, drove up from Massachusetts. So much for the “typical voter,” you see.

UPDATE V: Look at these videos of Santorum at the Hollis Pharmacy and tell me again why he can’t beat Mitt Romney:

Here is my interview with the owner of the Hollis Pharmacy, Vahrij Manoukian:

Just guessing by the name ending in “-ian,” he is Armenian. Some of the most patriotic Americans I know are Armenian, as are the Kardashian sisters.

Administration Shoots From The Bowels On ObamaCare Brief

by Smitty

Via the WaPoo:

Lawmakers decided that requiring health insurance was the best solution “after years of careful consideration and after a vigorous national debate,” Verrilli told the court.
“That was a policy choice the Constitution entrusts the democratically accountable branches to make, and the court should respect it.”

Donald B. Verrilli Jr., you Orewllian crapflooder. Lawmakers decided this after ‘years of careful consideration’? Princess Pelosi and crew did the Judas Priest impression without even reading the Mike Foxtrot. Oh, you probably meant the consideration they gave their stock portfolios. And vigorous national debate? A plurality still think Obamacare should be repealed. No amount of Orwellian suppositories can substitute for liberty, Verrilli.

The ‘court should respect it’? Why is the will of the voters, expressed in 2010, not worthy of consideration?

I submit that this administration, and this particular piece of legislation, shall be viewed in hindsight as the high water mark of Progressivism. You’re on the wrong side of history, Verrilli.