This story shocked me. Sure, I understood how Lesbian Chic propaganda conceals the heartache, exploitation, abuse and violence that occurs between women. Yes, I realized that the “rape culture” rhetoric and angry lectures about “consent” were cynical political posturing intended to leverage the militant anti-male/anti-heterosexual ideology of radical feminism being promulgated by Women’s Studies programs on America’s college and university campuses.
Still, even knowing all that, I was shocked by Wesleyan University student Caroline Catlin’s account at Huffington Post:
At first, we laughed about it. My friend and I sat at a small table in a crowded coffee shop on campus laughing about my unfortunate night. Another bad hook up. Another awkward college story. We laughed and I shifted my shirt to showcase the bruises across my shoulder. We shook our heads, wide eyed, and my friend said she knew the well-liked senior girl I had hooked up with the night before with was a little wild — but she didn’t know she was that wild.
After, past the point when a different friend came in and heard my story, past the point where her gentle concern made the hot shame in my stomach rise to my throat, past the point where I lay in another friend’s bed with my shoulders curled around my knees and decided whether or not I wanted to go to the health center and report it, after I first used the words “sexual assault” and realized the extent to which I had been violated, after all of that, I wondered secretly what would have happened if my story had held different pronouns.
I wondered if we would have laughed if I had been with a man the night before, instead of a woman. I wondered if, limping into the coffee shop, my friend’s response would have been awe and respect had I told her of a man who grabbed me too roughly, who ripped my shirt, who left me aching to leave and unsure of how to go.
Would I have seen the warning signs that night long before I did if I recognized the same manipulative, controlling, forceful behavior we are taught to fear in men could also be present with a relationship between two women? . . .
WHOA! Her shirt was ripped, her shoulder was bruised by a “well-liked senior girl” who was known to be “a little wild”? Either:
A. We must always believe the victim, as feminists tell us;
or
B. Caroline Catlin is pitching a cable network movie script here.
Personally, I believe the victim of lesbian assault:
I was violated physically and emotionally in a situation I deemed instinctively to be safe . . . No one at the party blinked an eye when I left with a woman I barely knew, no one texted to make sure the person I left with was safe, that I got home without a problem, that my night was going the way I intended. . . .
A woman assaulted me. I myself am a woman. My story is not like many of the ones being used to move forward in this movement. Yet, still, it happened. I was violated. Something went terribly wrong.
You can read the whole thing. There is no need to wonder why Caroline Catlin “deemed instinctively to be safe” a lesbian hook-up with a woman she “barely knew” — this is what radical feminism teaches implicitly every day in Women’s Studies programs: Men are the root of all evil, male sexuality is dangerous and oppressive, and lesbianism is the only escape from heteronormative patriarchy. As I remarked in February, “Is it a coincidence that this rhetoric sounds like it belongs in a book, Lesbian Pick-Up Lines for Women’s Studies Majors?”
I don’t think it is coincidental. Not in the least.
Let the reader ask these questions: If an adult married mother of two can “discover” her lesbianism by watching a cable TV series, what effect does such media messaging have on impressionable young people? What could be the combined effect of anti-male feminist teaching in schools and overt lesbian themes in popular media? If lesbian Women’s Studies professors can claim that Disney cartoons are encouraging young girls to become heterosexual, is it irrational to suppose the reverse scenario might also be possible? Make up your own mind.
Don’t misunderstand what I’m saying. This isn’t about trying to gin up paranoia or foster a climate of homophobia. This is not about a conspiracy. It’s about a consensus — a shared system of belief — that extends far beyond the Women’s Studies classroom. Rhetoric about “equality” and “progress,” constant chatter about the victimization of women and the rights of gays, reflect a widely held belief among our intellectual elite that normal sexuality oppresses women, especially within the context of “traditional family values.”
Tuition at Wesleyan University is $47,702 a year. A small price to pay for the opportunity of being “violated” by a lesbian.
[…] Lesbian Student Describes How She Was ‘Violated Physically and Emotionally’. […]
She said/she said…Hmmm, wonder who will end up being the guilty party in this one? I imagine someone will still manage to blame the heteronormative patriarchy.
A Y-chromosome . . . someone’s, somewhere . . . is always at fault.
That’s how feminists will rationalize this. The aggressor here is just a victim who absorbed the lessons of the patriarchy.
But on the bright side she’s publicizing her experience and that nobody thought it was a problem that she left with a virtual stranger. It’s good for the lesbian dark side to have exposure.
Note this quote from the linked article which dovetails with Mike G.’s comment above:
I don’t want to blame the woman who hurt me, or myself, or my friends. In many ways, we are all victims, all part of a society that assigns strict borders to situations where there is an immense amount of space in between. The person who hurt me was in the wrong. But so is the education system that never taught her that she too is required to respect another person’s body, that she too needs to ask first, needs to stop viewing sex as an act of take and gain and instead start trying to learn the language of conversation between two bodies, the hesitancy of a touch, the way the word yes looks on someone’s face. (Emphasis Mine)
Query, why the “education system” has this responsibility? What she’s talking about is morals training. That used to be the parents’ responsibility, who usually accomplished that through things like Sunday School teachings, reinforced at home consistently and constantly. Further, it is those “strict borders” which in the past have prevented this sort of thing. It was only when those borders were erased because they too stodgy and prevented “self-actualization,” that suddenly common mores and behaviors ceased to be commonplace.
If a women said that about a guy who did this, it would be described as evidence of “battered woman syndrome”
We’d also have to consider that since the perp was a senior, had she not been to multiple mandatory seminars on “RAPE,RAPE,RAPE,RAPE, RAPE?” And, if the perp was a well know lesbian on campus, how many “Womyn’s Studies” courses did she attend?
Might be interesting to know that.
The dirty secret they don’t tell you that lesbian relationships are VERY abusive
http://www.sciencecodex.com/gays_and_lesbians_twice_as_likely_to_endure_intimate_partner_violence_as_heterosexuals
As reported by the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, homosexual female (lesbian) couples are the highest, and homosexual males couples are the 2nd highest in domestic violence rates…
http://www.uncfsp.org/projects/userfiles/File/DCE-STOP_NOW/NCADV_LGBT_Fact_Sheet.pdf
And there are even more studies that were conducted that back this up:
– Among lesbians, a 1985 study by Gwat-Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier reported that slightly more than half of 1,109 respondents had been abused by a woman partner in their lifetime. (Gwat-Yong Lie & S. Gentlewarrier. Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications, p. 46 (1991) 15 Journal of Social Service Research The Haworth Press
‘Sadomasochist’ lesbian charged with raping girlfriend after ‘rough sex’
Self-proclaimed ‘sadomasochist’ Mia C. McCarthy, 23, accused of raping her 52-year-old girlfriend after a night of ‘rough sex’
The unidentified victim said McCarthy punched and threatened her
McCarthy said couple enjoys rough sex that sometimes leaves marks, don’t use safe words and agree that ‘no’ means ‘yes’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486173/Sadomasochist-woman-accused-raping-girlfriend-rough-sex.html
A Massachusetts murder has once again focused attention on LGBT domestic violence.
A Brockton woman walked into that city’s police station on Aug. 9 and allegedly confessed to killing her ex-girlfriend’s Alcoholics Anonymous sponsor because the woman allegedly had come between the couple.
Eunice Field, 54, told police she killed Lorraine Wachsman, 62, at Wachsman’s Bridgewater condo, according to Assistant District Attorney Thomas Flanagan.
Field left a note for her ex-girlfriend, Renee Williams, in the Brockton apartment they shared stating that she killed Wachsman, a retired school teacher, “for taking away the love of her life”, Flanagan said at Field’s Aug. 10 arraignment. The prosecutor said Field stabbed Wachsman three or four times in the back and neck with a serrated knife.
http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc&sc2=news&sc3&id=109418
There are ‘bad’ people (those who would take advantage of others) in any population. That’s it has taken so long to become apparent to these people is amusing.
It’s because they couldn’t get someone to bake them a cake. That’s why they all went home and beat up on their partners.
The blame must be heteronormativitiness.
I know that it makes people here upset, but again can we qualify and say some lesbian relationships are abusive, or even most?
To imply or say “all” just isn’t true.
Now look carefully at what I’m saying. I am not sweeping this incident under the carpet. I’m not denying that abusive lesbian incidents exist. I’m not saying that lesbians probably have abusive partners way more than average, even though I disagree with most of you as to why.
What I am saying is that not all lesbian or homosexual relationships are abusive.
The abuse and the sexuality are two completely different things. I see only one as a problem.
I do think that when conservatives continually link abuse with homosexuality, you drive away more people than you should.
Deal with the abuse first, prove that you are compassionate and can be trusted. Then over time, if it still bothers you, convince people that their sexuality is wrong.
Sammich…’nuff said.
She didn’t say all lesbian relationships are abusive…just that they are more prevalent than heteronormative relationships.
While I don’t think we’re trying to paint all members of a group that subscribes to particular behaviors with the same brush, I think the evidence is pretty clear that the risks of poor outcomes associated with participating in these behaviors is significantly higher than those that subscribe to the hetero-normative school of behavior.
my cousin went lesbian for awhile after high school. she had more black eyes and fights in bars than you can imagine. the “girls” are highly jealous and act out on their feelings at all times. she finally decided it might be safer to simply be with a man.
*shrug*
She implied it in her first sentence.
I think abuse is something we need to deal with.
Maybe I’m reading something in that isn’t there. Most of you here are good people, I know that. Most of you don’t think homosexuality is natural, you object when you’re expected to celebrate it. I get that. And there’s no doubt that like many fringe parts of society, there are unusual and deviant aspects.
What I don’t understand why the worst elements have to represent everyone.
“No one at the party blinked an eye when I left with a woman I barely knew, no one texted to make sure the person I left with was safe, that I got home without a problem”
WTF? She seriously expects SOMEBODY ELSE to look out for her???? Like she’s 10 years old or something???????
“that my night was going the way I intended”
CAN’T SHE TELL THAT ON HER OWN? Good god.
“Something went terribly wrong.” See above. Further words fail me.
What I don’t understand why the worst elements have to represent everyone.
Unfortunately, the worst elements get the most press and are the most visible.
That’s how stereotypes get started.
Are you a space alien? Are you truly unaware of how feminists pretend that violence in general, and partner violence specifically, and sexual violence especially, are male trails? To anyone from the English-speaking world, who is neither a time-traveler nor a hermit, it should be obvious that the point of citing that statistic is to set feminist ideology on its ear with an actual fact.
Again, not “all” feminists.
I’ve been dealing with some of the most radical third wave feminists you can imagine for almost thirty years now. What’s more, they believe they have a Divine mission to change the world. And they’ll give you the goddess chants to prove it.
I’ve also worked with women who didn’t want anything more than equal rights and equal opportunity. They enjoy men too much to castrate them. More than a few of those argued me under the table, which is saying something.
And lately I’ve been chatting with some younger feminists who claim the name without the anti-male attitudes.
“Again, not “all” feminists.”
#YesAllFeminists
” the “girls” are highly jealous and act out on their feelings at all times. ”
Well, DUH.
They’re trying to “act male” without the other pressures males deal with, plus their idea of what it means to be “male” comes from feminist agitprop.
She’d have been safest of all with a guy she’d developed a long-term relationship with.
God doesn’t listen to the crazies who think they can improve on his creation; you remember, first creating Adam, then from his rib, Eve, to join together with him to have babies.
And the thing is, anyone who DARED step in and say “hey, you sure you want to leave with her?” would get excoriated for “slut shaming” and second-guessing her libido or whatever.
Don’t underestimate just *how much* they lie to young women, and how emotionally charged the lies can be. I remember hearing over and over and over again that men are unsafe and women are safe. That men rape, and women pretty much never rape. Men molest, women don’t do that. Men batter and control, women don’t do that. Lesbians were played up as the ultimate safe people. Nurturing, gentle, even therapeutic. And remember how many young women turn to feminism because they had a bad experience or were abused or molested as girls…
I was told I should hope my daughters were lesbians because otherwise they were pretty much doomed to be date raped and battered. I was told that no matter how good my husband seemed to be, there was a high likelihood he would eventually “snap” and show his “true colors.” Because he’s a male, and males aren’t safe.
The brainwashing can really get to people who are vulnerable in the first place. Then come to find out, lesbians have the highest rate of DV of any kind of relationship. Golly gee whiz.
Long-term relationship? With a guy? Just one guy, nobody else? A male guy? With, um, male equipment? Wouldn’t she then be falling into the clutches of the heteronormative patriarchy? Furthering its dastardly ends? And required to wear pearls while vacuuming? And make the guy sammiches, especially during the game (pick a game any game)?
You’ll be happy to know that I’ve decided to let you be wrong (grins).
Unless you’re going to convert absolutely everyone to your version of Christianity, that’s up to debate, isn’t it?
That’s not my version of Christianity, that’s straight out of the Bible.
And, with that, you’ve lost Neo.
Small loss.
There was a marvelous lady I wish I could have introduced you to, she served as a minister to a mainstream denomination. She also signed the Phoenix Declaration. I have no idea if she was gay herself, it really didn’t play a part in our friendship. But I liked her style.
Neo is the movie character. I also think there is a “Neo” who posts here.
This is a version of the “God’s will” gambit you like to play. Small wonder you approve.
Folks have been arguing over the Bible for a couple of thousand years. Remember the First Council of Nicea was called to decide which books were cannon or not. Then there are the differences between the Catholic and Protestant versions, wars have been fought over that one.
I’m pretty sure crap like that is covered (not specifically but generally implied) growing up. At least it was for me.
Not a gambit, but you don’t have enough on the ball to recognize what’s going on here in the first place.
By the by, this will be the last post I make that will be directed to you. I have as yet to see a post from you that is worth taking at all seriously. Your main goal in life is attempting to look intelligent, all the while engaging a lot of mental masturbation that anyone with half a brain recognizes as incoherence.
It’s quite unfortunate that you have made yourself what you are because there are a few glimmerings of a deeply repressed intelligence. Too bad you waste it.
This is what, the ninth or tenth time? Granted the other times you weren’t saying forever and ever.
One thing to think about or not, as you choose. Have those insults that you use done you any good?
No. Nicea was when St Nicholas gave Arias the smackdown (for te heresy of denying that Christ was consubstantial with the father) and when the Nicene creed came about, as well as when the formula for Easter was determined. It was at the councils of Carthage and Hippo in which the canon was determined. With regard to the Catholic and Protestant bibles, Martin Luther unilaterally threw out the books he didn’t approve of as well as changing language within the remainder of the bible.
Stereotypes are a bitch. And for the record, let me state I just finished constructing a salad for my wife’s lunch tomorrow: fresh greens, sliced Roma tomatoes, quartered artichokes, roasted red bell peppers, green onion thinly sliced and some of the salmon fillet I smoked tonight. Tomorrow, I will add the freshly grated Parmesan and a container of Italian dressing before she heads off to work.
Of course, it’s all a plot on my part to camouflage my inner Patriarch. We’ve been married a quarter century and I think I’ve about got her lulled into a false sense of security. Maybe in another five or so years, I spring my dastardly self at her.
It was either that or you’ve gone through some sort of metrosexual intervention program?
It wasn’t complete at Nicaea, no, and Arianism was the headliner. But the “writing was on the wall.” Certain books would be included and certain books would not. The decision would be made by men.
And the Bible would not stay constant and unchanging.
I don’t pay attention to what Protestants do; sanctioning same sex relationships, like women’s ordination just takes them further from Christ’s teaching.
Books determined to have been divinely inspired were included. Books not divinely inspired weren’t included. But that’s only because other heresies tried to bring in books that weren’t divinely inspired.
*nods*
I thought you might be Catholic after your last post.
I don’t think we’re going to agree on much. I also think that you might find talking with me might make you uncomfortable.
I will keep doing the reluctant advocate thing.
Hoo boy.
There are all sorts of things there, touching on free will, Divine inspiration, the nature of the Divine, the nature of humanity, predestination, and rock and roll.
I’m up for it, but I’m obligated to tell you again that my answers may make you uncomfortable and you may think I’m attacking you personally. This is not my intent.
Or we can just say we disagree and leave it at that.
Right because Catholics never encounter those with whom they disagree. Sheesh!