The ‘Regret Equals Rape’ Factor (Also, USC Is Decadent and Depraved)

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Everybody remembers the notorious case of John Doe v. Washington and Lee University, in which a university official reportedly told students that “regret equals rape,” advice that John Doe blamed for a false accusation of sexual assault against him by an ex-girlfriend. Washington and Lee settled that lawsuit in February, avoiding a court trial that might have have exposed the elite private university (annual tuition $46,417) to disastrous publicity. This “regret equals rape” motif has appeared in several other cases among the more than 100 lawsuits filed against universities by male students who say they were falsely accused of sexual misconduct and denied due process in the campus kangaroo court system. What happens, in some of  these cases, is that what seemed an entirely consensual encounter is subsequently deemed sexual assault, usually months later, after the accuser has regret or remorse about a hook-up or a relationship. Consider this, from a court filing involving a John Doe lawsuit against the University of Southern California:

Jane, who was a student and athlete at USC, and a group of her friends attended a fraternity party in January 2013 at a large, off-campus house in the hills near Los Angeles. Jane and her friends caught a bus from the fraternity house to the party location. John, a member of the USC football team, was on the same bus. Also attending the party were two male students from an out-of-state university, “Student 1” and “Student 2,” who were friends of John?s teammate. At some point in the evening Jane began to dance, and John began dancing with her. John said that he and Student 1 were both dancing with Jane, “sandwiching” her between them. When asked about this, Jane did not remember whether it had occurred. After dancing together for a few minutes, John pushed Jane onto a couch and gave her a provocative “lap dance,” which John characterized as “flirtatious” and “silly,” and Jane characterized as somewhat “uncomfortable” because people were watching. After the dance, John, Jane, and Student 1 went to a bedroom together. John had vaginal intercourse with Jane while Jane performed oral sex on Student 1. During the sexual activity, John and Student 1 made comments to each other about Jane?s body. All parties agree that the entirety of this encounter was consensual. Jane returned to her group of friends and told them she had sex with John; she seemed happy and excited about it. Approximately 45 minutes later, Jane and John returned to the bedroom a second time. There were multiple men in the room, and people were continually entering and exiting the room.. . .

It was during this second trip to the bedroom that the incident occurred which “Jane” later claimed was assault. Everybody involved was apparently drunk and, pardon me for drawing any unfair conclusions here, but once she had willingly done a three-way (“the entirety of this encounter was consensual”) during this party, what might a reasonable person suppose the expectations were for this second trip to the bedroom? How about “anything goes”? Call me old-fashioned, maybe, but I have no idea what the prevailing customs and norms are for drunken college orgies nowadays. Really, when you’re partying with football players and frat boys at USC (annual tuition $50,210), what are the reasonable expectations concerning acts of sexual perversion?

Well, John Doe got expelled for his role in this orgy, not because the university has any moral standards — USC Is Decadent and Depraved — but because “Jane” got counseling and decided she was a victim:

The incident happened in January 2013. Jane reported it to SJACS in August 2013. She told SJACS representatives that in mid-February her athletic coach suggested that she had confidence issues, and therefore recommended that she see an athletics counselor. When the counselor asked Jane if she had ever been sexually assaulted, “it dawned on me and I connected it.” She then reported to the counselor that she was assaulted by John and several other men at the party. She told her parents about the incident in July of that year, and reported the incident to the school in August.

The rest of the story is merely details, unless you happen to care about the fate of John, who is just another guy who got chewed up by the campus machinery where male students are denied due-process rights.

What conclusions can we draw from this case? It seems obvious that every student at USC is a dangerous pervert. This is why parents pay $50,210 a year, so that their sons and daughters can have drunken orgies at a “prestigious” private university that has no moral standards whatsoever.

Students at USC are freaks and creeps and degenerates of every description. No conscientious parent would spend a cent to send their child to such a wretched hive of scum and villainy as USC, and therefore the only students who enroll there are the offspring of negligent parents who don’t mind squandering $50,210 a year to have their child “educated” in that foul cesspool of immoral hedonism.

UPDATE: Welcome, Instapundit readers!

UPDATE II: A commenter points out that the court filing cited is a judge’s ruling in the accused student’s favor. Here’s a news account:

SAN FRANCISCO — Wading into the fraught issue of sex crimes on college campuses, a state appeals court has reversed the suspension of a male USC student accused of participating in a group sexual assault against a female student.
The Second District Court of Appeal held that the male student, a USC football player referred to only as John Doe, wasn’t given sufficient notice of the allegations against him or a fair hearing by the school before being suspended.
The ruling highlights the difficult task universities have in balancing accused students’ due process rights with the concerns of victims and federal officials who have urged schools to adopt procedures to keep campuses safe.
Justice Audrey Collins acknowledged in Tuesday’s unanimous panel decision “that universities need adequate tools to address the very serious and sensitive problem of sexual assault on campus.” Still she wrote that “it is not too heavy a burden to require that students facing disciplinary action be informed of the factual basis for the charges against them.”
The male student’s attorney, Marc Harris of Scheper Kim & Harris, said that his client is “extremely gratified by the decision.” . . .
“All the issues that we raised in the court of appeal are issues that we brought up with USC” before turning to the state courts, he said. “This has been a long, painful and damaging path that John has had to take,” he said. He declined to say whether his client will seek to return to USC.

Honestly, if John Doe were my client, I would advise strongly against going anywhere near USC. The place is corrupt beyond description.




 


58 comments

  1. “After the dance, John, Jane, and Student 1 went to a bedroom together. John had vaginal intercourse with Jane while Jane performed oral sex on Student 1. During the sexual activity, John and Student 1 made comments to each other about Jane?s body. All parties agree that the entirety of this encounter was consensual.”

    Where is her father?

    In fact, were ALL the parents AWOL while these kids were growing up?

    I feel hopelessly old fashioned, too, RSM. What the hell ARE the rules for a freaking orgy at a party?

  6. All of these posts seems to say one thing.

    Skipping college might be good for your mental health and soul.

    Plus if the $30K minimum wage catches on why bother paying $160K to make the same as someone flipping burgers

  8. You’re intelligent enough to understand the actual meaning of the question and, it seems, crude enough to ignore that knowledge.

  9. Every college age woman KNOWS that if they get drunk at a frat party they will get screwed! There is NO excuse for her getting drunk at a frat party and saying that she didn’t KNOW what was likely to happen. SHE IS RESPONSIBLE!!! SHE decided to get very drunk.
    What is she going to say when she signs a contract after having a drink at lunch? My signature doesn’t count, you knew that I had a drink at lunch.
    This is Victorian Feminism. The women have absolutely no responsibility and the men are held 100% responsible. If women cannot be responsible enough to know not to get falling down drunk at a frat party, then how can they be responsible for any other decisions that they make?

  10. You lack self-confidence. Been raped?

    Oh, dear, well, now that I think on it, perhaps I have? What IS rape? Is being the featured puta at an orgy rape?

    It is if you say it is.

    Would I know that?

    Yes.

    Then it is.

    What?

  11. As a woman, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The girl is without excuse. For that matter, so are the guys. IMO, both Jane and John should’ve been expelled on the grounds that the school, or property associated with the school, even if off-campus, is not a pickup bar or whorehouse, but that’s me.

    Of course, the ONLY solution is prohibiting drinking (good luck enforcing that), or sending complaintants to the local poe-leese (100% enforcable). Colleges need to get out of the Feminist Star Chamber business.

  12. Years ago, I had a wise friend who put some money into her two kid’s college funds every payday. I asked her what would happen if they didn’t want to go to college. She said in that case, she’d use the money to set them up in apartments, but either way, they’d be out of her house at 18.

  14. I can’t wait until the last of your generation dies out and takes the puritanical attitudes about sex with them.

  15. Whats the bet most of the “feeling bad” about this was brought about by other females?

    The “you go girl” turned into “you slut” among her peers in a second, and she cant blame them (because they havent tag teamed the football team), nor is she prepared to blame herself for doing it.
    So that leaves all the men who participated in the line up, in the past she would be dismissed, nowadays her complaint gives her an “unsluttening” card to play, shes transformed by the magic of gender theory from a slut to a victim.

    Heres (and a few people have pointed it out) the truth. If the police dont have enough evidence to convict, then nothing criminal can be said to have happened. There is no place for quasi-courts, hell id bet even the millitary has more due process in charging its men than universities have.

  17. There’s no reason to expel either one of them. IF USC had any sort of moral standards, then sure, expel them. USC doesn’t. Hell, the administration, faculty, and most of the rest of the USC community is far more likely to be scandalized by a True Love Waits even than they are a drunken orgy at a frat party.

  18. Someone who has never let his parents dictate what he does with other consenting adults, and never will.

  20. Well, of course I agree with that. My statement was more like the position that a normal, non-depraved individual might take.

  21. What you didn’t make clear about the “court filing” is that what you cited from wasn’t just an allegation in Doe’s pleadings, It was in the opinion of the Court of Appeal. They ruled in Doe’s favor!

  23. Without hitting the booze, where does the female get her plausible deniability so she can keep up the charade that she’s really a good girl and not a boy-chasing sperm hound?

  24. My son’s fraternity has a monitor who prevents any non-member from accessing the living quarters at any time, party or no. Further, for parties, it hires a car service to take people home. All of this is in response to the UVA incident in order to eliminate the possibility of members doing something stupid and to have a body of evidence in case of a false allegation.

  25. “Consenting adults” is easily 47% of my personal sexual ethics.

    I also believe that when someone screws up, an adult takes responsibility for their own actions.

    This situation isn’t responsibility. It’s about collecting pelts. It’s focusing on the sensation of the moment, without trust, barely even knowing the name on the other side of the genitals.

    Even that isn’t enough, they have to get seriously drunk to do it.

    This is not adult behavior. Even if it does involve sex.

  27. Yes, I know. This was a victory for the rights of accused students, but the point I was striving to make was that this kind of behavior — drunk teenagers having group sex at an off-campus party — is what gives rise to the hysteria of feminist “rape culture” rhetoric. If young men and women were behaving themselves appropriately, the feminists never would have had a grievance, however much they have exaggerated that grievance.

  28. The glittering stupidity there is one of the early advocates of rape culture – Shulamith Firestone – saw her future feminist utopia as one where adult “relations with children would include as much genital sex as the child was capable of…” p240, The Dialectic of Sex.

  33. When I was in college (in the ancient, distant mists of time–the 80s) we had plenty of booze and plenty of parties with plenty of women. Somehow, my female friends managed to avoid rape throughout their four years. Regrets? I am sure they had those. We all had those. The only woman I knew in college who behaved like the one described in this article was removed from school by her parents for psychiatric evaluation. Sic transit Gloria mundi.

  34. She had confidence issues? Are they sure it wasn’t before she decided to please 2 boys by imitating a porn starlet?

  35. With more women going to college and more men forgoing it (or being discouraged from it) we will actually have the case that significant proportion of the professional class will actually claim to be less capable of planning contingencies of getting drunk and claiming “victimization”, than the projectable minority who will be “responsible for it all”, yet still claiming that that they are equally competent to males who passed through the gauntlet.

  37. Given the way social standards vary between generations, your kids (if you ever have any) may very well be much more “puritanical” about sex than you are –

  38. And were those putative (personal, sexual) confidence issues in any way related to athletic performance confidence? People can, after all, be confident about one thing and not another.

  39. The only thing feminists are capable of occupying is the offices of Ladies’ Home Journal. Men occupied Nazi Germany. That knowledge has to rankle female supremacists, a term that is a proven oxymoron.

  41. Yeah, because it’s so obvious that if somebody is not performing confidently in athletics that it’s not some innate thing or mental habit,
    the likely culprit is that they were sexually assaulted–even if they are plenty confident in other areas of their life. And everybody knows that when a woman gets “sexually assaulted” that it only really shows when she shows a lack of confidence in sports. “Jennie, you didn’t charge the line–were you … sexually assaulted?!!”

  42. Feel free to tell us your credentials on how you’re an authority on “adult behaviour”, Disqus poster “NeoWayland”.

  43. […] The rest of the story is merely details, unless you happen to care about the fate of John, who is just another guy who got chewed up by the campus machinery where male students are denied due-process rights. What conclusions can we draw from this case? It seems obvious that every student at USC is a dangerous pervert. This is why parents pay $50,210 a year, so that their sons and daughters can have drunken orgies at a “prestigious” private university that has no moral standards whatsoever. Students at USC are freaks and creeps and degenerates of every description. No conscientious parent would spend a cent to send their child to such a wretched hive of scum and villainy as USC, and therefore the only students who enroll there are the offspring of negligent parents who don’t mind squandering $50,210 a year to have their child “educated” in that foul cesspool of immoral hedonism […]

  44. You mean other than the fact that I am an adult and have been for years?

    You mean other than the fact that I did the collecting pelts bit during my Corporate Clone days and know just how unfulfilling that is compared to real relationships?

    You mean how I’ve not hidden my views on sex and love, even here? Much of it isn’t more than a Google search away.

    Or perhaps it’s how I insist that freedom goes hand in hand with personal responsibility and how it’s impossible to have one without the other? Also a Google search away.

    Should I go on?

  46. Read the court filing. John was punished not for having intercourse with Jane, but for what the OTHER people in the room did and for leaving Jane alone in the room after the fact. The men Jane might have had grounds for accusing were never charged. Talk about getting screwed.

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